Urgent request!

[Richard Gordon]

Guys,

I need your help and fast!!

After a long search I have finally tracked down the Spanish award 'Cruz de Guerra' which was awarded to Luftwaffe aircrew, etc during the Civil War. Not only that but it is cased as well!

Can you tell me if these were awarded post war? Can you tell me, or show me how a war-time example should be, in terms of configuration of hinge/pin and attachment of the front plate?

Also, does anyone here have a case that I can compare with?

Thanks!

Rich

Edited August 4, 2005 by Richard Gordon

[J Temple-West]

Hi Rich, I think Francois Saez has a couple of wartime pieces, cased.. Send him a PM.

[Jacques]

Sorry to be late , but I answer you on WAF.

Yes, this cross has been awarded after the war and I think (to be confirmed) still is. the manufacture is not the same. The cross I shown on WAF is just a sample. other do exist, with different attach systems.

The cross you shown looks good to me, thus the case . I know some period pics showing Richthofen awarding the cross to some LC members. the cross are in case , but it is impossible to determine the datas of the cases. May be spanish members could help you (us) on this award.

Friendly

jacques

[Panzerpionier]

Sorry to be late , but I answer you on WAF.

Yes, this cross has been awarded after the war and I think (to be confirmed) still is. the manufacture is not the same. The cross I shown on WAF is just a sample. other do exist, with different attach systems.

The cross you shown looks good to me, thus the case . I know some period pics showing Richthofen awarding the cross to some LC members. the cross are in case , but it is impossible to determine the datas of the cases. May be spanish members could help you (us) on this award.

Friendly

jacques

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The War Cross awarded to LC members was a SCW-only award. After the war the medal was split into different classes and the original design was changed.

Best regards

[Richard Gordon]

A big 'Thank you' to all your help on this one.

In the end I decided not to buy as there is uncertainy with the case. The cross itself is repaired which is also a deciding factor as these can be found in better condition with a little searching.

Rich

[Jacques]

Looking inside my spanish medals drawer, I discover that I owned not one but three War crosses

the top two look the same , and the bottom one has another design.

jacques

[Jacques]

Reverse comparison

[Richard Gordon]

Jacques,

Very nice! Do you the additonal 2 are of German manufacture?

Rich

[Jacques]

Jacques,

Very nice! Do you the additonal 2 are of German manufacture?

Rich

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None of them are german manufacture. All are spanish in my opinion. I would like to get one marked "Meybauer"

[Panzerpionier]

Looking inside my spanish medals drawer, I discover that I owned not one but three War crosses 

the top two look the same , and the bottom one has another design.

jacques

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Jacques, is the sunburst of the bottom cross matte grey or bright silver? If it is bright silver, your medal is probably a 1942 cross for senior oficers (majors, Lt. colonels and colonels). 1942 crosses for generals had a golden sunburst, and junior officers received crosses with bronze sunburst. NCO's and enlisted men received a different cross hanging from a ribbon.

Sorry for the bad picture but I have no scanner.

Best regards

Edited August 8, 2005 by Panzerpionier

[Jacques]

The cross is bright silver.

jacques

[Richard Gordon]

Here's one offered to me. I feel it is a fine, period example but I'm not a scholar on these awards so best to have you chaps give your opinions.

Rich

[Richard Gordon]

Rivet set-up

Rich

[Richard Gordon]

Shot of the back

Rich

[Jacques]

Looks like a fine spanish made cross for Legion COndor member.

jacques

[Marcus H]

This is my one Rich: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=2193

There once on the WAF was some age deterination to a degree via the Towers and Lions on the centre part and the differences, makers I assume also taken into account ?

Angel Farre on the WAF will perhaps be able to deliberate further on that I think ?

[Richard Gordon]

Jacques/Marcus, thanks for the comments.

Regarding the different styles of central medallion, if I recall correctly, wasn't this down to the different makers? Ega?a being the most known ( I have no idea who the other makers are ) and recognised by the enamelled berries?

Rich

[Panzerpionier]

Jacques/Marcus, thanks for the comments.

Regarding the different styles of central medallion, if I recall correctly, wasn't this down to the different makers? Ega?a being the most known ( I have no idea who the other makers are ) and recognised by the enamelled berries?

Rich

According to the cross details, is a good one to me.

The berries should disappear easily with normal use and wear, so they should be no an absolute rule.

Best regards