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This badge has been discussed here http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/sho...ad.php?t=203053 Cheers Don

I think it was Relics of the Reich, but I'm not 100% sure. No idea what the price was or who got them I'm afraid. Not an item I considered buying, I just kept the image for reference, sorry. Thanks for the other shot, if you get time perhaps you could post some detailed shots of a couple of them in their respective threads here http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=10095 to help our database, doesn't matter if the manufacturer is already present. Just follow the links next to the image required. Cheers Don

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And very nice too Chris, thanks for sharing. The 1919 does turn up occasionally however I've never seen an 18 offered for sale yet..... Here's a group that was recently offered for sale (still no 18). Any chance of a shot of the frame above the Stahlhelm? Cheers Don

Well Gentlemen, whilst all the points raised as to why this badge is a fake are indeed quite valid I'm astonished that the most important & obvious clue has been overlooked. The first point of call for any enamel collector is the the reverse of the badge, on this one we see the narrow oval pinplate with clipped off ends. These are only ever found on post war produced pins....... Thank you John for mentioning Wil Saris' excellent article, I know it well. Cheers Don

The all important reverse.......

Brian has sent me images of his badge, I've resized them to post here. I'll email Brian my views before posting them here. Anyone else care to comment first? Cheers Don

Brian, Do you have images of the badge? If you do you can send them to me if you wish & I'll pop them up for you. If you wish to try this send me a PM & I'll give you mey email address. Robert, The one I posted above is also marked for AK, here it is. Cheers Don

I haven't seen any pictures showing the badges seen here in wear. There are images of the badges given to the HJ groups that visited Japan in 1938 & 1940 but that is all, both of these badges were of a totally different design to the ones seen on this thread. Small groups of Japanese students also visited Germany in this period. Except for one picture, none of the photos taken at the time show them wearing any badges. The one that does was taken at the 1938 Reichsparteitag in which they appear to be wearing the RPT badge of the day. Talking of the Cone badge, have you noticed the odd crimping used on the pin plate? I've seen this on other badges that worry me as well. Cheers Don

To be honest, I'm even more sceptical of the '44's than the others. Think of the situation at the time, German forces were being pushed back in the East, their surface ships virtually confined to port. Japan was also starting to feel the full force of the allied powers, would they find a way to send their most gifted students half way round the world presumably by ship? Also, the '44 badges like the earlier years are enamel. All other badges of that year were made of zinc or other cheap materials & lacquered/painted rather than enamelled. Are you sure it says ARAD? It should be AKAD as this is short for Akademie-Tagung. Please do post imges of the front & back if you can as it's always nice to see what's out there. Cheers Don

Right, here we go. The first one come in a variety of colours, yours brand new for ?5 or aged for around ?70..... This one I haven't seen openly on sale as a reproduction but I strongly doubt that they existed. Cheers Don

What was it's shape? There are round ones, triangle ones & rectangular ones. The triangles are total fantasy pieces, the round ones are disputed some believe they are good but I along with several others feel these are also fantasy. The rectangular ones did exist but are extremely rare, I've seen images of them in wear & in reference books but so far never in real life. I've got some images on file at home of the fake fantasy pieces, when I return from work I'll post them. Cheers Don

Joe, H?sken list 5 enamels I think from various branches of the DC, but there are several non enamels as well. Cheers Don

And another version Cheers Don

Blue? According to the reference books, they didn't come in blue, only red & green.... Cheers Don

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I had the oppertunity to pick up the red version this week. Hope you like it, I do.... Cheers Don

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Here's a new one

James Noble has come to our rescue & sent me image of his Dr. Franke & Co pin showing the elusive symbol. Unfortunately he is also having problems posting here & has given me permission to do so on his behalf. Cheers Don

Indeed, looks like it could be Dr. Franke & Co K.G Lüdensheid. Odd as I've never seen this maker on these before & now we have 2. Any chance of angle shot Nick revealing that symbol under the pin? Cheers Don

Indeed, very nice. Gotta love those Party badges. I've moved this thread to the membership badge forum as it's not an award, hope you don't mind. Cheers Don

Thanks for posting your badges Robert. I don't think that you have much to worry about with your Type I, Hofftätter may have used a rounder plate as well as the more common oval. Does yours have the "hatching" seen under the red enamel of the lettering? I have seen this missing on some other makes, but it's always been on any Hoffstätters I've seen. You may need to get the light in the right position to see it. Cheers Don

Type II

A little quiet here gents, so lets see if we can get some interest up. Here are my two Lehrerbund badges, both Hoffstätter marked with their tell tale oval type pin plates/keepers. Any others out there? Different makers, same maker? Cheers Don