Scowen

OK I give in, what am I looking for????

Nice pin by the way :jumping:

And very nice too! That eagle is superb.

Thanks for showing it.

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Don

You just need one of these now Stu..........

It's one of the harder pieces to find. However when it comes to value I always say that they are only worth what someone is willing to pay for them.

I have paid high amounts for items that others would not have paid, purely because I wanted it. Likewise, I often feel a item isn't worth what another is asking for it so will not buy. It's purely down to personal opinion I'm afraid.

If you are happy with it & the price you paid for it, then enjoy it.

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Don

Nice badge Sean, thanks for showing it, sorry for my late reply, I have been away. Here are a couple of links showing other Christian badges here on the forum......

Deutsche Christen - Reichsbewegung http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=5599

Deutsche Christen - Glaubensbewegung http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=21499

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Don

Looks good to me.

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Don

I'm afraid that this one is a fake. These were never RZM marked, plus on the originals the runes should be attached with small bent pins.

Sorry

Don

Not my area I'm afraid, but there was a question regarding one like this before http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=4269

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Don

Hi Scott,

Here goes:

1. Freiwilliger Arbeitsdienst, 23.3 mm; Assmann & Sohne / Ges. Gesch

Personally I can't see anything wrong with this badge....

2. R.D.K., 24.9 mm; Ges. Gesch. / Circle-B

I've never really trusted the "B" in a circle mark on any badge. Fakers widely produce badges with this mark & whether a maker used the mark during the period is not really known. I think in this case it comes down to whether you like the badge or not

3. Deutsche Kindershar N.S.F., 17.9 mm; RZM M1/63

Another controversial badge amongst enamel collectors. Most do not like the full RZM M1/63 marked versions, however I do feel that providing the other criteria of patina, flecks in the white enamel, wear etc fits then possibley it's a good piece.

4. D.S.B., 24 mm; Ges.Gesch. / HA

Bad I'm afraid. The mark on the reverse is a poor copy of the Aurich mark, if you look closely it's more of a "B" over the "A" rather than an "H" as it should be. Also Genuine ones have a far better detailed number of dots within the red enamel of the roof. Check this link out that shows other examples of Aurich marks http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=5892

5. Adolf Hitler 1933, 22.9 mm; RZM / Ges. Gesch

I'm sure that you know the many arguments that surround these badges. Personally I would not go near an RZM'd piece, especially when there isn't an M1 code with it.

6. Deutschland Erwache 1933, 22.9 mm; RZM / Ges. Gesch

Ditto for the badge above.

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Don

I've never seen this design before but I would guess that they are from a local Kreisschie?en. I do not think that they are copies.

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Don

Yes & a very nice one too!

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Don

As I suspected I'm afraid, the infamous RZM M1/133 fake. These have indeed been around for many years, in fact the first SS/FM fakes appeared in the middle to late 1960's!!

As to Kelly's pins, indeed they are bad as well, & he has been trying to sell them for years.......

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Don

I would need to see the back to be sure but I think that this is a fake SS supporters pin. May we see a picture of the reverse please.

A couple of links here for your reference http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=474 & http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3605

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Don

To add a little confusion the design was also used on a tinnie for the "Gemeinschaft durch opfer", see here: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?s=&showtop...ost&p=74355

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Don

Sorry for replying so late Peter, as you know I've had a few problems lately. I'm also sorry that no one else here was able to help you with this.

As you know I have not had one of these, however I have seen them around a few times. From what I've seen of others they are far more detailed than the one you show here, the eagles head for instance is always clearly defined as are the details around the sword hilt & eagles feet. I'm not sure that I like the one you show........ Sorry.

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Don

I've edited the post for you as requested.

A very interesting comparison Robert. It is instructive to note how the colouring & tone of the metal has changed over time.

Keep up the experiment!

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Don

Another nice find Joe. These can also be found in gold.

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Don

I've always gone with the fantasy camp, Floch was selling these by the box full a number of years ago...

Very nice Colin. I saw quite a number of these type of badges while in the Tirol a couple of weeks ago. They're quite attractive aren't they.

Thanks for showing them.

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Don

Another has recently turned up...... http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc...62/m/3680020565

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Don

For anyone interested I've updated the info re magnetic & non magnetic badges on Page 3 post #47.

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Don

Sorry, I've been away for a few days.

I'm with Mametz here, a sympathisers pin. Hard to say whether it's from the period or not as they are so easy to manufacture.....

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Don

Interesting piece Peter. I have one knocking about here somewhere but I can't seem to find it at the moment

My memory may be failing me but I do not recall ever seeing these in gold, they are usually silver. Thanks for showing it.

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Don

It will indeed be interesting to see the results Robert, I look forward to it.

Good spot Rick, I didn't even look at the Hoffst?tter mark......

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Don

Hi Jani,

I'm afraid both are bad.

The triangle piece is a fantasy item in that it never existed during the period of the Reich. The round one is controversial in that some do feel that it existed but others do not. However yours is definitely bad due to the shape of the plate holding the pin, this style is only found on post war badges. Also the Ges.Gesch should be spelt with a G not C, & finally, on the front the word should read AKAD not ARAD.

Here's a link to another discussion on these badges http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=14956

Sorry.

Don