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Hi Lars, Thank you for posting the reverse. It's a damn shame that the maker mark can't be read, I've often wondered who made them. I can't really provide much information about them. I've only seen KdF versions with the names of either "MS Wilhelm Gustloff" or "ES Robert Ley" on the lower part of the wheel. They can be found with various designs of flag on them (I'll post three of mine), until now I have not seen one with a maker mark or without a name on the front. As to their use, according to JR Cone in his booklet "One People, One Reich", these were Crew members badges for the Yachts presented to Hitler, the "Eva", "Geli Raubel" & "Robert Ley". However there is no reference as to where he obtained this info & we now know that there are many mistakes in the book. Angolia shows a couple of examples in his book "Labour Organisations of the Third Reich" & also lists them as crew members badges, but makes no other reference to them. Personally my own feeling is that they were souvenir pins sold to the tourists on the KdF Cruise ships, but that is purely a theory. Here's the first of mine a Gustloff with Party Flag. Cheers Don

Very nice, may we see a picture of the reverse please? I've never seen one of these without a name of a KDF ship across the bottom of the wheel! Cheers Don

Hi James, Isn't this the same badge that you showed in post #9? Cheers Don

Can't see any problems. To be honest, I don't recall ever seeing a fake of one of these yet. Cheers Don

From these pictures I'd say that it looks OK. Cheers Don

I have moved the KdF related posts to the correct thread http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=24526&st=140 Cheers Don

Peter, Ever seen one of these? My latest addition......

Another nice piece Peter, you've been busy. Deschler was one of the only makers to punch, or press in their RZM marks rather than have raised ones. It's very common to see this on their pieces.

Do you mean in the book? 3403e is different.

Nice find Peter. I've only ever seen Neff marked pieces. Here's mine.

OK I give in, what am I looking for???? Nice pin by the way :jumping:

And very nice too! That eagle is superb. Thanks for showing it. Cheers Don

You just need one of these now Stu..........

It's one of the harder pieces to find. However when it comes to value I always say that they are only worth what someone is willing to pay for them. I have paid high amounts for items that others would not have paid, purely because I wanted it. Likewise, I often feel a item isn't worth what another is asking for it so will not buy. It's purely down to personal opinion I'm afraid. If you are happy with it & the price you paid for it, then enjoy it. Cheers Don

Nice badge Sean, thanks for showing it, sorry for my late reply, I have been away. Here are a couple of links showing other Christian badges here on the forum...... Deutsche Christen - Reichsbewegung http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=5599 Deutsche Christen - Glaubensbewegung http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=21499 Cheers Don

Looks good to me. Cheers Don

I'm afraid that this one is a fake. These were never RZM marked, plus on the originals the runes should be attached with small bent pins. Sorry Don

Not my area I'm afraid, but there was a question regarding one like this before http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=4269 Cheers Don

Hi Scott, Here goes: 1. Freiwilliger Arbeitsdienst, 23.3 mm; Assmann & Sohne / Ges. Gesch Personally I can't see anything wrong with this badge.... 2. R.D.K., 24.9 mm; Ges. Gesch. / Circle-B I've never really trusted the "B" in a circle mark on any badge. Fakers widely produce badges with this mark & whether a maker used the mark during the period is not really known. I think in this case it comes down to whether you like the badge or not 3. Deutsche Kindershar N.S.F., 17.9 mm; RZM M1/63 Another controversial badge amongst enamel collectors. Most do not like the full RZM M1/63 marked versions, however I do feel that providing the other criteria of patina, flecks in the white enamel, wear etc fits then possibley it's a good piece. 4. D.S.B., 24 mm; Ges.Gesch. / HA Bad I'm afraid. The mark on the reverse is a poor copy of the Aurich mark, if you look closely it's more of a "B" over the "A" rather than an "H" as it should be. Also Genuine ones have a far better detailed number of dots within the red enamel of the roof. Check this link out that shows other examples of Aurich marks http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=5892 5. Adolf Hitler 1933, 22.9 mm; RZM / Ges. Gesch I'm sure that you know the many arguments that surround these badges. Personally I would not go near an RZM'd piece, especially when there isn't an M1 code with it. 6. Deutschland Erwache 1933, 22.9 mm; RZM / Ges. Gesch Ditto for the badge above. Cheers Don

I've never seen this design before but I would guess that they are from a local Kreisschie?en. I do not think that they are copies. Cheers Don

Yes & a very nice one too! Cheers Don

As I suspected I'm afraid, the infamous RZM M1/133 fake. These have indeed been around for many years, in fact the first SS/FM fakes appeared in the middle to late 1960's!! As to Kelly's pins, indeed they are bad as well, & he has been trying to sell them for years....... Cheers Don

I would need to see the back to be sure but I think that this is a fake SS supporters pin. May we see a picture of the reverse please. A couple of links here for your reference http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=474 & http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3605 Cheers Don

To add a little confusion the design was also used on a tinnie for the "Gemeinschaft durch opfer", see here: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?s=&showtop...ost&p=74355 Cheers Don

Sorry for replying so late Peter, as you know I've had a few problems lately. I'm also sorry that no one else here was able to help you with this. As you know I have not had one of these, however I have seen them around a few times. From what I've seen of others they are far more detailed than the one you show here, the eagles head for instance is always clearly defined as are the details around the sword hilt & eagles feet. I'm not sure that I like the one you show........ Sorry. Cheers Don