Chris Boonzaier

Theory part two.... Doctors, priests, nurses outside the reich... got black ribbons for service in the field. White ribbons for WW1 were not "non combattant" but rather for "Service in the Reich" except for a few who got black ribbons "for service in the Reich" and Rick can tell you how rare that is.....

My pet theory, and one that has still to be shot down.... If you were serving outside the borders of the reich, and got an iron cross for service... it had a black ribbon. Hence, a nurse 100km from the front getting an iron cross for service in the field ... got a black ribbon. Any advances on that theory?

http://www.nysm.nysed.gov/albany/bios/s/pischuyler61.html Googling this... he sailed with the four kings in 1710 on the HMS reserve.

The first of the three HMS Sutherlands was actually launched as HMS Reserve at Deptford on the Thames in March 1704. The 4th rate 54-gun vessel was renamed HMS Sutherland in 1716, but after a low-key career she ended up as a hospital ship on the Mediterranean Station, and by the time she was condemned in 1754 her successor was in service. The new Sutherland, launched at Rotherhithe in 1741, was also a 4th rate, carrying 50 guns.

HMS Sutherland ist die zweite Tr?gerin ihres Namens in der Geschichte der Royal Navy. Das erste Schiff war 1704 als HMS Reserve gebaut worden und wurde 1716 in Sutherland umgetauft. Das mit 54 Kanonen bewaffnete Linienschiff 4. Klasse schied 1741 aus dem aktiven Dienst aus und wurde als schwimmendes Lazarett der Mittelmeerflotte in Port Mahon (Menorca) verwendet, bevor es 1754 abgewrackt wurde. Nach der Au?erdienststellung

A note t othe ship... "Welcome to the website of HMS Sutherland. The Present HMS Sutherland is the third to bear the name. The first, a 54 Gun 4th Rate, originally named HMS Reserve, was launched at Deptford in March 1704. The current HMS Sutherland has seen service all over the world, from the frozen seas of both the Arctic and the South Atlantic to the tropical heat of the Caribbean and the Far East." A tad more... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Sutherland

What a superb piece of history... if I had bought it I would have been torn between watching both J. Depp movies or "Master and commander" this weekend....

A thought.... the 247 falls right into the basin of the divisions raised from nothing and sent to the front in a month and a half. Karl unruh writes that their equipment level was close to zero........ maybe this was the answer?

A very interesting article indeed!! I would not have recognised these as WW1 German (blush)

I wonder... Book and medal collectors are very diferent... The book on the Maxim gun "The devils paintbrush" was expensive... until the expanded 2nd edition came out... them everyone was buying edition 2 and tosing their first versions... Will the astronomical prices for the 1st version crash as everyone goes after version 2? best Chris

Interesting reading... Makes me think the "good ole days" were not always so good ;-)

For Skip...

Machine Gunners section on the go... http://www.kaiserscross.com/56701/home.html

I am starting a section on the Machine gunners... its in its infancy still, but some phots are up for now.. http://www.kaiserscross.com/56701/home.html

Here is a write up from the site about a late EK for a guy who lost a foot in 1914. http://www.kaiserscross.com/41815/55201.html Thanks to TomY for corrections. best Chris

A map added to the above. A big thanks to Tom Young who has been correcting the text as we go. Best Chris

Here is an article about the confusion during the battle at Bixschoote and an EK that was awarded to a man who was wounded there. http://www.kaiserscross.com/41815/55201.html Hope you enjoy this bit of history.

Yup.... pops is one of those old guys you wished lived next door and you were dating his daughter with a possible collection inheritance in the background.... Some preeeeeetty nice stuff there..... :-)

Thank ye very much, the both of you... I know how much effort it is to hit the books everytime someone has a photo to post and raise my hat to those who seek the info for the masses!!

It was in a pile I got this week.... I liked the ribbons as well... pretty unusual.. Had no idea about the Red connection though!

Hi Glenn, thanks, that is a start. I assume he then served in a Landsturm unit?

The Pionier company of the 53rd Infantry Regt, 50th I.D. from Feb 1916 The Division was almost wiped out in September 1915 near Tahure... and in April May 1916 it was to play a very prominent part in the battle of Verdun, taking Fort Vaux. I think it may be related to this pic, which is also from Tahure.. http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=17287

Only an AH bailey on the ASC roll of honour...

Its the motto... "Nice men drive trucks-Army service corps"

I guess this photo was removed from the pile of approved ones and landed in a drawer....