Chris Boonzaier

It is however the first J?gr award doc I have seen where the man has been something other than J?ger ot Reservist. Best chris

I just found award document to landsturmmann kr?ger of the 17. R.J?g.Batln. I was under the impression that there were no "Ersatz" "Landwehr" od "Landsturm" J?gers? Just regular J?ger or reserve-J?ger.... Can anyone give any help in this direction? Thanks Chris

Before the attack, 17 June 1916. maybe by artillery, maybe doing pionier preperations.

Hi, I will have to dig around.... an example that comes to mind (have to look for it) was a NCO at the Nachrichten Kommandeur of the 18. Armee Ober- Kommando. Regular black ribonned EK... but HK without swords. Probably never heard a shot fired. From my index file it would be the following man.. Unteroffizier Carl Lahmann (beim Nachrichten-Offizier der O.H.L.) The award was made on the 1 September 1918 The document was signed on the 7 September 1918 by Rittmeister Devaux, Nachrichtenoffizier der O.H.L. The document is a special print for the A.O.K. 18

I was a warlord fan, but we used to get all three.Beano, Dandy and Warlord ;-)...... .............. Viz came later......

Nice find.... did you read the Dandy?

My guess is.... Depending on the recieving telegraph office, somewhere in Rural Germany a block of paper and a Pencil may have been "high tech" while in larger towns maybe a typewriter? I know when we learned Morse we wrote by hand, but apparently typing while recieving goes quite a bit faster.... The dates? Seriously wounded and written off for dead by his unit... then dying a few days later in a field hospital, Unit sending off a telegram saying died on the 15th, once they stopped retreating/advancing/being bombed the news arrives that he had been taken to a neighbouring divisions field hospital and held on for 5 days before dying... I am sure in the confusion of battle much of the paperwork has anamolies. Best Chris

Hitzelberger was proposed for the iron Cross (the Alpenkorps was fighting at verdun at the time of his death), but was killed before the approval went through. instead of sending his family an Iron Cross and a posthumous award document, they were sent this doc say "Close, but no cigar". This document is by the same soldier/Artist who drew the Alpenkorps EK document picture. For those who do not read German, it says he was proposed for the EK but did not recieve it because he was killed in action in the meantime. So, this is no watertight proof of my theory, but a lot of circumstantial evidence. Pretty damned nice of the Alpenkorps to issue a document like this, I have never seen one in a similar format, either as a generic doc, or unit specific doc.

OK, so far I have not been able to find a statute of any kind. Circumstantial evidence is: I have reached the 450 mark in Imperial EK docs/small groups. There are a number of groups where the guy was awarded the EK after being invalided out of the army, but so far not a single group where an award was made after the mans death.... Enter this spectacular document......

I saw a canteentoday, it had a small leather cross strop sewn onto the felt, like the WW2 ones, to keep the vertical leather strap in place. Is this kosher? I have no reason to think not, but was not 100% sure. Best Chris

Very close to what I am getting at, except one point in there... "Prussian Iron Crosses could be handed out by Willy, or as far down the food chain as the regimental level. " Until the wars end the approval of the award was still from the commanding general, at east at Divisonal level, although the document could be signed at lower level.

I have a number of variations of these and am going to this one to fill another gap... Anyone have an idea as to which state this could belong to? Its not bavaria, Sachsen, Prussian or W?rt. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...item=6277313734

That would be tooooooo easy ;-)

Was a WW1 posthumous EK possible? I have not found a statute probibiting it, but have handeled many, many docs and have never seen an example of it having happened. have recently gotten a doc that tends to convince me.... Any thoughts on this ?

Was just given this as a gift.... Silesia 17 on the lid, Silisea16 in the bottom.... me be a happy boyo... "thank you" is always the best price ;-)

http://gasmasklexikon.com/Page/Start01.htm A M18 is pictured on this site... click on germanyC and the selection is on the left side..

Its a tad shorter, and the mask (on the right) has a different, cheaper way of attacking the string just above the filter.... I am assuming it is a late version M17 mask as this loop soldered to the screw in part was carried over to the m18 (I think)

I think it may be a very late M17 one... Here is a comparrison, the metal quality is worse than the early one....

another factor to calculate in is non combat EKs with black ribbons can be not only for service at home, but also for service in the field, occupied areas etc. I have a group or two to army men who got a regular EK2 but HK without swords. Chris

I have the "Moyen-Orient" bar on mine for Daguet.

How do you tell a M17 from an M18? best Chris

It looks like the one here with the ridge along the middle going inwards instead of outwards. http://pagesperso.aol.fr/guerredesgaz/Lesm...Leder/Leder.htm

groan !!!!!! Anyone have the slightest idea where Eisenbahn Betriebs Komp 20 was in July 1916? Could they have been on the Somme? Thanks Chris

above is what the rivets hold in place.

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