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Hi Mike, When I look at these, I always assumed that the plate/pin like that was because it was repaired. If not, that's cool. But note that the two crosses are basicly identical other than the 2 features I mentioned previously. Now, with yours, there's 3 with the same looking catch, but only two with similar hinge barrel and pin. But comparing your cross to the ones Christophe culled from the web.... I see huge differences in the edges and openings???? So, do we have 3 makers, one maker? Or something else? I have nothing but photos to work from here. I've never been able to find anything other than the 2. kl. cross myself.
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One thing to consider... the MOSH had a commander grade, (2 grades actually) as well as a grand cross........ Immelmann was the only Junior Officer to receive both the Kommander & RK grades... I believe his commander SH came after his PLM! So, you could probably still use the MOSH, but narrow the field a bit to Commander Grade....... Just to brighten things up a bit, here's a Commander's Cross made by Osang of Dresden.... (destroyed in WW2 bombings of Dresden)
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Nope, now your into the realm of pure speculation, with no way to ascertain and/or back up any idea. Unless of course you write to the Bavarian Archives and actually manage to get a copy of his "jacket"..... I suggest a trip in person as being your highest probability of success!! PS: If you do decide to go at some point (or anybody else for that matter!) PLEASE let me know.... I have several names I need researched too!
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Luftwaffe LW medal bars
Stogieman replied to François SAEZ's topic in Germany: Third Reich: Wehrmacht Medals, Decorations & Awards
John... the lapel bow with the double mini Luftwaffe eagles is outstanding! First time I've seen the minis mounted like that! -
Luftwaffe LW medal bars
Stogieman replied to François SAEZ's topic in Germany: Third Reich: Wehrmacht Medals, Decorations & Awards
Now that's the Fran?ois we all know & love! jumping -
Hi Wayne, I do not think there was any such thought process. "Marking" as you call it in your post was not an indication of some "future plan", but a reward for services rendered. When The NSDAP came to power in the 1930's, having received such awards was not indicative of anything other than past military service and/or bravery. What was more important to the NSDAP was political adherence and reliability. A significant number of highly decorated individuals from WW1 were ignored, censured or executed based upon political disagreement or "racial impurities"... including at least one recipient of the PLM. I am not sure I understand the question and/or preposition at hand? You open with a "I'm looking for equivalents" statement. Equivalents of what? Your listing of "highest military decoration" by the main kingdoms (Excluding Baden, a Duchy) is correct. The awards are all of your criteria... Excluding the WOKwX, which was not the highest military award, it's a "House Order" with swords attached. But again, these were not "markings" of some future plan.... Not really sure what your after here.
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Christophe. Obviously the first cross is a match for yours. Of the other two, my best guess would be the second cross with the wider (repaired) pin is war-time. Note the larger openings. I would guess that anything with a greater degree of workmanship would be earlier. Again, for me, I so no distinction between WW1 awards given before 1918, or purchased by the recipient prior to the end of WW2. After the end of WW2, there was a severe decline in not just the quality of materials available to work with, but also in the skill level of those making medals, decorations and orders.
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That style of pin/hinge catch is more commonly seen in post-WW1 crosses. Especially the Juncker pieces. Meybauer pins are very similar in shape, but usually a bit thinner/longer. The pin you have is most likely Juncker and that would date it to post 1918. I do not believe this detracts from the piece in the least. It's one I would certainly be pleased to own and/or offer for sale. remember that with how messed up things were at the end of the war.... many awards were not even made until after 1918! It is doubtful that everyone received a cross during the failing months at the end of the war.