Jos Le Conté

A few of my favorit Luft buckles.. Jos.

Well,don't know of any fakes like this one. I agree that many features are looking good. A rather unique badge I must say. Congrats.. Jos.

Wow..! Thanks.. I've a early Juncker myself,super badge.. The Assmann has a certain expression in the face I really like.. The whole bird is perfect actually.. I definately would go for the Assmann in this case,although both are great ! Thanks for showing these great pieces. Jos.

Very nice badges all together.. I also love both Juncker and Assmann when it comes to early pieces.. Do you've a picture of the early Beo's next to eachother ? Jos.

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Thanks guys, He's wearing a early cold weather facemask made by Karl Heisler.. Here's a rare picture where you can see 2 of these masks. Jos.

Thanks Frank ! Seems you're the only one who enjoys flight uniforms and equipment ..!? Some new goodies,yes..,but also lost some stuff in trades/sales to obtain something new.. You can't always win in this hobby..,unfortunately.. Jos.

Some of the guys.. + equipment.. Jos.

Hmmm, Osang 3 rivet,flat needle.. Must be pretty rare,can't say I saw one before... Well,easy to find out..,if fake we'll find more of these on many sites.. Concerning that we're lucky,they never make only one.. Jos.

Yup,pretty helmet with nice decal.. Jos.

That's a very nice buckle..,Jon. Any specific maker ? Jos.

Fantastic lids,guys ! Love the FJ's..,would love to have Richard's and Frank's para's.. I used to have 2,quite some years ago,a early textbook spanner bolt and a early spanner bolt camo..,both great helmets. The camo was a beauty,never saw one alike,2 spanner bolts at the back were missing and a thick iron wire went through the holes,wire was camo too,one of the finest originals you could get..,super colors,eagle slightly visible.. I had to sell them those days.. The camo is still in a large collection nearby,but I can't get it back,the owner never wants to get rid of it ,whatever I offer him.. I don't blame him...a super lid..,tears are filling my eyes...snort ! Unfortunately I only have a M40 at the moment..,a nice one though.. Here's da bird. Jos.

Nice badge..! ...with Juncker eagle.. Jos.

I've no clue..,but don't forget that many people don't know much and some even don't care what they've or buy.. But you've a point here. That's a theory that has a chance. Why not ? N&G still exists,why stop producing a good concept if there's any market ? But how will we find out ? Maybe postwar catalogs,prospectus etc ? I know there're old N&G catalogs,but they show spectacles etc.. A rumor I've heard is that the Finnish airforce used wartime N&G after war and some of these went to dealers a while ago (don't know how much) . It's a rumor only and I only mention it as a note and a possibility. This "postwar" theory is another thing to find out,but how ? Another point I forgot to mention : ALL 2nd types I've seen were marked 2 for the size. The little booklet however mentions 3 sizes measured from hinge to hinge. I've never seen a pair marked 1 or 3 though. If they exist they must be very rare IMO. Jos.

I agree that we have less to compare with,'cause we don't have the chance to handle or study a couple of hundred of these. Did N&G only make these or were there other companies involved also ? If so,I can imagine small variations can be found..,but even if N&G made them only I can imagine a thing like that. I'm open minded too concerning quite some things at the moment. A thing that comes to mind is that producing clear lenses is much easier than creating the rather special color of the Ultra-sin lenses maybe ?.. Another thing to keep in mind is : These recent fakes are only sold by certain people on Ebay,80% of their other stuff are fakes too.. If these goggles were originals in mint condition I think they would find their way to the collector much easier for much more money.... On Ebay they fetch between 200/400 Euro. I'd gladly have a mint original for that money..,maybe 2. The very moment one of these is sold another one is added to the auction..,howmuch of these can we expect to come..? The people selling these also have loads of the IMO fake Wagner,Cellowaro and Auer rubber goggles..also in cardboard box.. Unfortunately and luckily these have errors in the label on the lid of the box and the goggles don't match the type of box either . I agree,we don't know for sure about the hinges and types ,for now the majority ,if not all 2nd types on era pics have the "thin" type.. I also think there're variations,but for us to detect them among originals. About the fakes of 2nd type in general: Poor fakes already existed. (I think I've pics in my files and will post them here a little later) I think we can expect the better ones coming now.. The fakers have their minds on flighstuff lately,even small equipment. They wouldn't go through all this trouble if the stuff was much cheaper IMO. Jos.

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This 2nd type pops up very frequently lately.. Pay attention to the hinges.. (they're 3rd type ) and all have clear lenses.. ( point for us to work on ) For now I think these are recent fakes. Jos.

And Rudel with his 2nd type.. Jos.

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thank you ! Description is clear.. I personally haven't seen the 2nd type with clear lenses in era pics sofar. This is just a observation and not a fact. I'll do my best to find out some more about this. Another fact is that recent 2nd type fakes do come with clear lenses !! That's why this point can be or become very important IMO ! We've to keep this point in mind and try to find out for sure. I think there's a chance the 2nd type came in a cardboard box.. Why ? Because I think I've seen good ones in a box. Because fakes come in a box with manual.. The manual for sure is copied from a original. Again: this is not a fact.(yet) Here're some additional pics of the second type. Pay special attention to the hinges,they're the "thin" type.. (with the hinge we mean the metal part between frame and strap ) This can become important when we're talking fakes.. Jos.