Hello Sal Excuse me for silence. My evidences again: 1. They all have a repaired attach system. There are no identical hooks, there are no identical pins. All different. (look post #91) You observed a sign with original attach system (not repaired) ? 2. The Stans sign never had a pin in the top part, the best evidence for that theory. Without a trace it is impossible to remove a pin of SILVER sign, silver enters reaction with solder. (look post #103) You could clean solder of silver sign without traces ? It is impossible, even in a small part. 3. The badges have been sewn to a uniform in early photos. (look post #88,89) regards CHE