Jerry B

Thanks Paul. A period article on the company, Hamburger Rogers & Co.

Adding one more picture of the bn markings as part of it was missed on this very rare pre great war other ranks forage cap. I very carefully removed the badge for a photo and interestingly it has the long slider seen on badges during the early Edwardian period that were phased out about the same time as this cap was issued in 1909.

No problem. Did you see the RA example I posted?

A WWI field grade officers forage cap for the RA territorial force, 1908-1917. The makers went out of business in 1917 and were well known suppliers of headgear and swords etc prior to their demise. The cap is sadly missing most of its chinstrap but other wise is in pretty good condition for its age and has the RA TF gilt officers badge with laurel leave upper scroll rather than the Ubique seen on normal RA badges. The maker of the cap, Hamburger, Rogers & co were well known military outfitters who had been in existence for many years, originally established in 1750, 1796 R. and H. Hewetson. 1814 Hamburger and Co. 1827 Hamburger, Harwood and Co. 1839 Hamburger, Rogers and Co. then from 1841 when Rogers joined as Hamburger, Rogers & Co, Kings st, London, until they went out of business in 1917, though some sources claim Rogers joined in 1839. They were best known for supplying swords and headgear, though originally they were renown suppliers of lace for the Royal family and for military uniforms.

Very nice. 1953 to 1968 as they were amalgamted that year to form the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers. I have two for this rank for the RA, one Great war and the other second world war but othewise very much the same as they did not change much until the 70's.

When you can Simon would be fine. I knew the RN used them as did the Marines I think and by ground troops in NI in the 70's.

Thanks for the offer Stuart. At the moment I am holding back on the earlier caps, but if I decide to go for one I will contact you for your opinion.

Mervyn, the first one is for the Ngbandi tribe and is only one just shown with a montage of 3 views. The 2nd as you state is thought to be a throwing spear and is probably a Zulu type, though I am not at all any sort of expert on these so I have my information from other people. http://www.zyama.com/ngbandi/pics..htm

Not sure if these belong here, but two African spearheads from my collection. Ngbandi type indentified

Hi Stuart, the early type forage caps really do look the part and I have yet to add one to my collection, though I have recently been picking up items from nearer that period, with a few WWI period examples and a Late victorian Glengarry for the the Welsh. I noticed a couple of good looking Forage caps of this type on the bay recently, but not taken the plunge yet as the prices are a bit more than I am used to paying for headgear.

A stunning forage cap Stuart, very nice.

It is a mountain cat, the familly badge of the Sutherlands, the version I show is known as the fat cat, post 1902 among collar badge collecters.

I am not going to download the image but here is one from what you describe. Though it is a boars head from the ocat of amrs of the duke of Argylle. A&S Highlanders

Excelent displays Simon. What is the helmet next to the white top visor, a tankers lid? Any chance of some detail pics of the headgear?

Looks good as I said on the other forum. It did look whitened canvas in the sellers pics, so good to get that confirmed. I know with the officers white top visor caps the vinyl top was introduced in 1956.

Circa WWII as Mike has already stated, I am not sure when they stopped wearing these, but in theory the British stopped wearing the khaki side cap in 43-44 when the GS cap was introduced and I assume the NZ would have done the same.

Jock, I find the knocking of other forums that takes place on WRF and WAF rather pathetic and unproductive and as many members are on both it all seems a bit odd. A period image of the back of one perhaps? I have to admit that my first thought would be to be wary, and as it is not something I look for these days, it probably matters little what I think, but the imperfection is not what I would expect, that said earlier period transfer decorated wares often have mistakes on them, I have some Napoleon plates with errors on them.

The missprint on the Reich plate certainly seems to attract a lot of negative comments, though some seem to like it, but it is not what I would expect to see from the period. Probably one of those that will also attract differing opinions until solid proof can be found either way.

The way items travel the world should not really surprise us, as even back in the day souveneers were taken back home or swapped etc and more recently especially since the rise of the net anything from any period and from any country can be found h=just about anywhere these days. I bought this photo only yesterday in west Wales, how it got there is anyones guess and could be an interesting tale or more mundane, we will never know. Looks a good example, a nice pick up.

An officers Glengarry cap, which during the period was worn by most units of British infantry, officers had silk trim and OR's were leather trimmed but like the officers version had silk tails. On OR's version there was often not a backing for the badge, though this example has a red backing patch and the rosette that became common for all ranks in the later period, when this type of cap became something only worn by Scottish units to this day. The badge is in silver which denotes it was for an officer in a Volunteer battalion of the Welsh Regiment and dates to the period 1881 to 1896, though it is likely to be from nearer the end of the period, as it has the correctly translated version of the motto. This is a fairly rare cap, being more than circa 120 years old and as a collector of both headgear and Welsh items, I am very pleased and somewhat surprised to have picked it up.

Thanks for the information on this subject Simon, as I had previously mentioned this, but without the background to it.

Looks good Greg, a nice used example.

Very nice, both are stunning, the scarlet looks to be in very good condition. Very good to see a forage cap from that period.

Thanks Strapper and Mervyn for taking the time to read this and comment. Certainly a lot of history for an old cap and I have two books about the former owner on the way to me. Hopefully one of them will contain a photo of him wearing it.

Cruiser MKVI Crusader?