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Contacted my HR department, they were unable to confirm when NWP first began issuing medals in Welsh, however, they were able to confirm that there does tend to be a 50/50 mixed between English and Welsh medals issued.

The way it was explained to me was that there, was to be a clear cut off date. All those who qualified pre 8th September would be given an E11R, then post 8th would get C111R. I also understand that there our no physical stocks, they are produced on demand. Not sure how I feel about it really, I joined the army in 1996, leaving and joining the police in 2002, so all but 1 month or so of my service was for the Queen. But having a King’s LSGC will be a novelty, especially so as it will be engraved in Welsh. I certainly won’t be among the ones who sell them off, of that I can guarantee you!!! Yes, as I say not sure how I feel about that. Will certainly post photographs when it arrives. I could have retired back in June but decided to stay on till October in order to qualify, wanted to have something metallic to show for 20 years service.

Thought this might be of interest? I qualify for my LSGC on the 14th October and retire on the 31st October. On the 31st August my HR department very kindly agreed to pre order my LSGC prior to my qualification date, so that I could be presented with my medal in my last week. A few days later, as everyone knows the Queen sadly passed away. Today, I was asked to contact my HR department, upon doing so I was informed, that they were very sorry. But they had been advised that their request re my medal, had been declined. The reason being that the Royal Mint were currently processing all personal who had qualified for their LSGC’s prior to the Queens death. That all recipients after that date, would be awarded the new King’s effigy medal, and that as such my medal, fell into this category and as such would now not be ready by my final week. But would be forwarded onto me in 6 weeks. Would be interested to hear, if anyone else has been told this?

I agree Dave. Good luck having a standard English version in Wales….

Have you had all your medals mounted yet Danny? Would very much like to see a photograph if you have!

To be honest, I did briefly contemplate the possibility, that I could get 3 medals in one year. But whichever way the Coronation medal criteria may go, I’ll be long retired by the 3rd June 2023. I have to agree with you Dave. Especially when you take into account the shocking amounts of Platinum Jubilee Medals that appeared and continue to appear on EBay and the like, some of which before even the official qualification date, shoe how little regard some have for them, perhaps they should only issue them to people who actually want one?

He was certainly very vocal, when expressing his opinions of topics he felt strongly about, and was no stranger to being in the media. He joined NWP in 2001 and left in 2009. According to Wikipedia “Welsh language Brunstrom has been praised for his learning and promotion of the Welsh language, in which he holds an A level. This has led to his being created an honorary Druid by the Gorsedd of Bards list at the 2006 National Eisteddfod,[21]and in April 2007 he made a speech to Welsh communities pressure group Cymuned in which he urged politicians to update the 1993 Welsh Language Act, saying he was doing his duty by raising it.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Brunstrom So perhaps the option for Welsh came in as a result of his speech Cymuned in 2007, or perhaps certainly shortly afterwards? This would tally in with the change in 2008, to laser engraving? Certainly the only examples that I have seen are in the laser engraving style.

That is interesting. Sure there must be a reason for this. Not well versed in Latin, Google translate has Elizabeth as Elizabeth. If that’s correct this would explain why she appeared to have a mixture of English and Latin to the untrained eye?

Thought this might be of interest? https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/30/king-charles-iii-50p-coin-unveiled-ahead-of-circulation-this-year

Another interesting reply on the BMF reads…. “I have had sight of a document that forces send to the home office stating that they do not have a full time member of staff dealing with medals, and they should order them at least 6 weeks before they are required. It also lists the official ranks that are acceptable. With regard to the Welsh naming, South Wales Police (which is the biggest Welsh force) still haven’t put a mechanism in place to offer the option to officers. I have spoken to a number of colleagues who would have taken this option my self included.”

Liverpool Medals from the BMF, provided the following information, which I thought might be of interest? The Royal Mint don't do naming anymore as far as i'm aware, and only manufacture some of the remaining medals. This way they can send a batch of, for example, 500 Police LSGC's in boxes, then the contractor can name them individually when one is needed and post it to the recipient. Current medals are mostly named using Laser Engraving, this style was officially adopted circa 2008, which coincides with your theory about them only appearing since 2006, which was approximately when they ceased doing the naming at the Mint. I would hope that in the future more Welsh recipients can take advantage of this in the future, surely if you are Welsh or in a Welsh Police Force, you would have the right to request this.

The Silver Jubilee Medal is of very good quality, whereas the recent ones perhaps not so. To that end, will they go down the route of fewer nice ones or more lesser quality ones, but for the same cost?

Thought this might be of interest? A female colleague qualified for her LSGC in August last year, and was presented with it, at a ceremony a few days ago. Granted the photos of the naming isn’t ideal, but you will note that it’s in Royal Mail box and is engraved in Welsh. I wonder whether Police Medals are sent elsewhere for engraving or the previously provided information by the Royal Mint is incorrect?

I believe this maybe the medal being referred to. It’s certainly the only of it’s kind, I’m aware of. Don’t recall how it was engraved, although I do remember it was. The NCA have all sorts of weird and wonderful ranks, sure this medal did include a rank, but as you say it didn’t include NCA after the recipients name.

How interesting!!! Curious that they even began production, before he was formally coronated. I guess that none considered in their wildest dreams that he would abdicate!

Did you ever receive any reply or acknowledgment one way or the other re this? The has certainly been no further announcements that I am aware of?

Whatever the actual numbers maybe? I fear we may never know. One thing is for certain, there won’t be anymore, once the new effigy comes into effect! Given there apparent uniqueness I would assume that such examples will be a novelty to collectors? Will certainly be interesting to see if they demand any sort of premium? Whenever the new effigy comes into being, they’ll also be be a whole new collecting sphere opened to collectors!

There will without a doubt be a Coronation Medal, however, given King Charles’s suggestion that the Coronation will be a vastly scaled down version, to that of his late Mothers. I would hazard that the distribution of medals will mirror that, and the medal will only be issued to the great and good, those that are physically present and perhaps a smattering of a few per regiment, constabulary, etc. We wait with baited breath…… Another burning question, is when will we see a change in effigy to existing medals. When will the first C111R police LSGC’s start to be issued?

Would appear, that King Charles has now opted for cypher with bearing a Kings crown? Assume this means that there will now be a change in cap badges etc. Although when this is likely to take place, I don’t know. An article I was reading suggested that we won’t see new bank notes until 2024 and coins would be minted as demand presented itself. Of course the million pound question is, when we will see a change in effigy on medals!

Would appear, that King Charles has now opted for cypher with bearing a Kings crown? Assume this means that there will now be a change in cap badges etc. Although when this is likely to take place, I don’t know. An article I was reading suggested that we won’t see new bank notes until 2024 and coins would be minted as demand presented itself. Of course the million pound question is, when we will see a change in effigy on medals!

Had this rather curious reply from the Royal Mint, I can only assume that they are sent for engraving somewhere other than the Royal Mint? Many thanks for your information request. We have made internal enquiries and we can confirm that the Royal Mint has not produced any Welsh engraved Police Long Services Medals. Beyond that we do not hold any information falling within scope of your request. Best wishes FOI Team

This medal and certificate awarded to Miss Marjorie Swift were acquired in June 2021 and initially of interest as they loosely fitted within the collecting sphere of Police Officers who had been awarded the Silver Jubilee Medal 1977. Marjorie was Police Staff and listed in the 1977 Jubilee Medal roll as a Secretary, West Yorkshire Metropolitan Police. However the reverse of her certificate, possibly written for presentation of the medal, read – ‘Chief Constable’s Secretary Miss M Swift Millgarth Police Station.’ No details could be found on Ancestry.UK as there were simply too many Marjorie Swift’s living in Yorkshire, to be able to make a link. However, further research revealed that in 1977 Marjorie would have been secretary to Ronald Gregory, the Chief Constable of West Yorkshire Metropolitan Police, he, being in overall command of the hunt for the Yorkshire Ripper from the Headquarters at Millgarth Station. 1977 was in the approximate centre of the enquiry, 1975-1980 and Marjorie would no doubt have seen many important documents passing to and from the Chief. Whilst there are no biographical detail of Marjorie, it is important that her role in one of the UK’s most horrific murder sprees and subsequent enquiries are recorded for posterity. Also within this collection are the medals to Chief Inspector Roy James GORE who also served during this unsavoury time. https://martinharrisonsmedalresearch.weebly.com/swift-marjorie.html?fbclid=IwAR0waZ1Yb-mNvc4w9H54OYgeTJysWf9J5_tXp4ALi0HOSzbYevBzaMd5rwE

His medals are a bloody shambles ?!!

Here he is again, marching behind the Prince of Wales, so I assume he’s somebody of note, that perhaps I should really be able to identify?

Noticed this gentleman, during the Queens funeral. Not entirely sure who he is, but have concerns, given the monumental occasion he was attending. You’d have thought he’d have taken the time to, get his medals mounted, ensuring that he was wearing them in the correct order! He also appears to be missing his diamond jubilee medal? Assume he had forgotten where he’d put that one?