Claudio

Dear forumites, I was quite fortunate to acquire the following medal bar. Ordensspange: Preußen, Eisernes Kreuz 1914, 2. Klasse (OEK 1909) Baden, Orden vom Zähringer Löwen, Ritterkreuz 2. Kl. mit Schwertern (OEK 157), S vg Hohenzollern, Fürstlich Hohenzollernscher Hausorden, 2. Modell (1852 ? jetzt), Kreuz 3. Klasse mit Schwertern, ab 1866 (OEK 1035/1), S Deutsches Reich 1933-45, Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer (OEK 3803/1), Hersteller R.V.67. Pforzheim Medaillen: Preußen, Eisernes Kreuz 1914, 1. Klasse (OEK 1908), Hersteller vermutlich Paul Meybauer Knopflochschleife mit Bänder des EK, FEK, BZ2 I would need any additional information on Ravan Freiherr Göler von Ravensburg. During the WWII he also has been awarded with the Iron Cross 2nd class clasp 1939 and the KVK 2. Kl. 1939, since I saw his ribbon bar, but I unfortunately couldn't successfully bid on it. Many thanks in advance for your most appreciated help. Ciao, Claudio

Hi Tom, It looks like a Typical J. Reimann bar... Dark fabric on the back, very thick and solid needle system, padded ribbons on the front. Very nice... and if it comes also with a name, it's like having a cherry on a cake! Ciao, Claudio

The bar came with these decorations... a wound badge in black and a later awarded Treudienst-Ehrenzeichen f?r 25 Jahre.

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A newly acquired Godet Spange... without EK2. 1914... That's uncommon and strange but possible!

Sorry I meant Seeheld's HHO is in Gold. Ciao, Claudio

Markings... I can read 938, but not the rest... maybe Silber??? Komtur's HHO is really of the highest quality... is it in Gold? Ciao, Claudio

Strange HHO... the quality is a bit crude of Komtur's HHO is a bit crude. Here's mine as comparison. Ciao, Claudio

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? Preu?en, Eisernes Kreuz 2. Klasse, 1914 (OEK 1909) ? Preu?en, Hausorden von Hohenzollern, Kreuz der Ritter mit Schwertern (OEK 1789), Silber vergoldet, Hersteller Sy & Wagner Berlin (S&W 937) ? Sachsen K?nigreich, Albrechtsorden Ritterkreuz 1. Kl. mit Krone und Schwertern (OEK 2209), Silber vergoldet ? Oldenburg, Friedrich August-Kreuz 2. Klasse am K?mpferband (OEK 1563) ? Hamburg, Hanseatenkreuz (OEK 688) ? Deutsches Reich 1933-45, Ehrenkreuz f?r Frontk?mpfer (OEK 3803) ? Deutsches Reich 1871-1918, China Denkm?nze f?r K?mpfer (OEK 3150) ? Preu?en, DA-Kreuz f?r 25 Jahre der Offz., 3.Mod., 1.Typ (OEK 1970) ? Deutsches Reich 1933-45, Treudienst-Ehrenzeichen 1. Stufe f. 40 Jahre (OEK 3522) ? Preu?en, Roter Adler Orden 4. Kl. mit der Krone (OEK 1706), Herst. Wagner (W) ? Preu?en, Kronenorden 3. Klasse (OEK 1757), Gold ? Preu?en, Centenarmedaille, 1897 (OEK 1965/1), G Br Konteradmiral z.S. aD, Carl Friedrich Feldmann (* 12.08.1875 in Wilhelmshaven, ? 08.07.1963 in Oberlahnstein bei Koblenz) Verheiratet mit Elisabeth ?Ina? R?der (1880-1940) Aus den Marineverordnungsbl?ttern und Ranglisten ersichtlich : Feldmann, Karl 1892, 04.09. Pr. Centenarmedaille Unterleutnant zur See 1897, 03.22.S WEISSENBURG Feldmann, Karl 1892, 04.09. Russ. St.Annen-O. 3. Kl. Oberleutnant zur See 1901, 11.09. II. Matrosendivision Feldmann, Karl 1892, 04.09. Allerh?chste Belobigung Oberleutnant zur See 1902, 07.19. SLEIPNER, Stab Feldmann, Karl 1892, 04.09. Allerh?chste Belobigung Oberleutnant zur See 1902, 07.19. SLEIPNER Feldmann, Karl 1892, 04.09. Pr. RAO 4. Kl. Kapit?nleutnant 1906, 09.19. BRAUNSCHWEIG, Artillerieoffizier Feldmann, Karl 1892, 04.09. Pr. RAO 4. Kl., Krone z. Kapit?nleutnant 1909, 06.08. II. Geschwader, Admiralstabsoffizier Feldmann, Karl 1892, 04.09. Pr. Kronen-O. 3. Kl. Korvettenkapit?n 1914, 06.24. KAISER, I. Offizier Feldmann, Karl 1892, 04.09. Pr. HOH Kreuz der Ritter m. Schwertern Fregattenkapit?n 1918, 01.21. KOENIGSBERG (II), Kommandant Feldmann, Karl 1892, 04.09. Pr. Eisernes Kreuz 1914 I. Kl. Fregattenkapit?n 1918, 02.14.R KOENIGSBERG (II), Kommandant Milit?rische Laufbahn : 09.04.1892 Eintritt in die Marine als Kadett 10.04.1893 (U) Seekadett 15.09.1895 (Z) Unterleutnant zur See 14.06.1898 © Leutnant zur See, umermannt zum Oberleutnant zur See am 01.01.1899 01.04.1904 (N) Kapit?nleutnant 26.12.1909 (A) Korvettenkapit?n 18.09.1915 (B) Fregattenkapit?n 17.03.1918 Kapit?n zur See 09.03.1920 verabschiedet zum 31.03.1920 08.08.1940 Charakter als Konteradmiral verliehen 09.04.1892 ? 19.09.1892 Grundausbildung u. Kreuzerfregatte ?Stosch? 20.09.1892 ? 31.03.1893 Marineschule 01.04.1893 ? 01.05.1893 Waffenlehrg?nge 02.05.1893 ? 31.03.1894 Schulschiff ?Stosch? 01.04.1894 ? 31.10.1894 Panzerschiff ?Deutschland? 01.11.1894 ? 30.09.1895 Marineschule 01.10.1895 ? 30.09.1897 Linienschiff ?Weissenburg? 01.10.1897 ? 31.03.1898 II. Matrosen-Division, Kompanieoffizier 01.04.1898 ? 30.09.1900 II. Torpedo-Abteilung, Kompanieoffizier u. Wachoffizier d. Torpedodivisionsbootes ?D 5?, anschl. Kreuzer ?Condor?, Wachoffizier u. Heimreise 01.10.1900 ? 30.09.1902 II. Matrosen-Division, Adjudant 20.05.1901 ? 30.09.1901 zugl. Depeschenboot ?Sleipner?, Wachoffizier 01.04.1902 ? 30.09.1902 zugl. Depeschenboot ?Sleipner?, Wachoffizier 01.04.1902 ? 30.09.1904 II. Torpedo-Abteilung, Kompanieoffizier; zugl. zeitw. Torpedo-Divisionsboot ?D 9?, Erster Offizier 20.10.1902 ? 19.12.1902 zugl. Torpedoboot ?S 92?, Kommandant 16.05.1903 ? 17.06.1903 zugl. Torpedoboot ?S 103?, Kommandant 13.08.1903 ? 30.09.1903 zugl. Torpedoboot ?S 103?, Kommandant 16.05.1904 ? 17.06.1904 zugl. Torpedoboot ?S 103?, Kommandant 13.08.1904 ? 30.09.1904 zugl. Torpedoboot ?S 103?, Kommandant 15.10.1904 ? 30.09.1905 Linienschiff ?Braunschweig?, Wachoffizier 01.10.1904 ? 30.09.1907 Linienschiff ?Braunschweig?, Artillerieoffizier 01.10.1907 ? 14.09.1910 Stab II. Geschwader, Admiralstabsoffizier 15.09.1910 ? 31.03.1913 Stab Marinestation der Ostsee, Admiralstabsoffizier 01.04.1913 ? 15.06.1915 Linienschiff ?Kaiser?, Erster Offizier 16.06.1915 ? 30.06.1916 z. Vfg. D. Chefs d. Marinestation der Ostsee 28.11.1915 ? 19.12.1915 zugl. Grosser Kreuzer ?Prinz Heinrich?, Kommandant i. V. 01.01.1916 ? 04.02.1916 zugl. Linienschiff ?Wettin?, Kommandant i.V. 27.04.1916 ? 18.06.1916 zugl. Linienschiff ?Wettin?, Kommandant i.V. 01.07.1916 ? 21.05.1917 Admiralstab der Marine, Dezernent in der Operationsabteilung 22.05.1917 ? 09.07.1918 Kleiner Kreuzer ?K?nigsberg?, Kommandant 13.07.1918 ? 15.12.1918 Grosser Kreuzer ?von der Tann?, Kommandant 15.08.1918 ? 04.12.1918 zugl. b. m. W. d. G. d. 2. Admirals der I. Aufkl?rungsgruppe 16.12.1918 ? 31.03.1918 Leiter der Abwicklungsstelle des Verbandes der Aufkl?rungsschiffe 01.04.1919 ? 30.06.1919 im Reichsmarineamt 01.07.1919 ? 31.03.1920 Versorgungsamt Wilhelmshaven, Leiter

This is a Golden HHOX... this piece can be valued around Eur 2'000.-.... For a silver gilted HHOX could fetch between Eur 600 and 800, depending on the conditions and markings (938, W 938, Godet, etc.) There are also some bronze gilted HHOX which were produced after WWI which can be valued even less (Eur 250-350). Ciao, Claudio

@ Sascha: If it has been a pure Gold HHOX I could unsterstand Wildcard's statement... but the HHOX is definately a silver gilt piece one... Is it marked (on the botton rim of the cross)? It looks like a Godet ... @ Frank: Thank you Frank to have come out in the open to offer your bar for sale here on this forum. I am very tempted ... ;-) Ciao, Claudio

Nice one Kurt! Is the box also from Godet? Ciao, Claudio

Yeah... that was my same reaction... Those swords are strange but not impossible. I would have liked to see a clear picture of the back also, though. I wish you also a very happy new year with lots of new goodies for your marvellous collection! Ciao, Claudio P.S.: the Hessen Medical Merit cross is a 1914 piece (see obverse, worn as reverse).

Dear forumites, I saw this bar on the internet (still for sale) and was wondering if there is any connection between a W?rttember'sches or Hessiches Regiment with the crown of Holland, due to the last order on the bar... I don't want to start a research on this bar before it will be sold, but I thought that this combination must be quite unique. Furthermore the Military Medical Cross of Hessen, as its name says, should have been awarded to some kind of a medical officer. Ciao, Claudio Description of the orders: Prussia, Iron Cross, 2nd Class, 1914, silver and iron W?RTTEMBERG, ORDER OF FREDERIC, KNIGHT, 1ST CLASS with swords HESSEN, Military Medical Cross 1914, gilt bronze, war ribbon War Cross 1914-1918 for combatants, bronze, maker's mark R.V.9 Pforzheim Netherlands, Order of the House of Orange, Knight, 1st Class, 2nd model, silver enamelled; center in gold

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Here is the bar completely restaured to its formal beauty...

Hi Komtur! Thanks for posting your bar. Great bar! Definitely a pre-1934 bar but put together by Godet after 1930. Very nice... strange that this guy didn't get the IC... Very nice indeed!

@ Josef: I am believer... I didn't know that the Austrian Red Cross decoration could have been obtained with a donation... but it makes sense, since I know that nowadays red cross decoration of some countries like Japan or Thailand can be obtained after you donate a certain amount of money to their organisation. Ciao, Claudio

... in that case the golden eagles should be silver... ;-)

And this is my reconstruction... I couldn't find the pics for the crown of the SEHO and the device for the Volkspflege-Ehrenzeichen... ;-)

Salut Alexandre! Voila une photo plus detaill?e des rubains de Milch... Ciao, Claudio

Detail of the medal bar:

Detail of the ribbon bar

He could have been an Austrian civilian, functionary or medic in a officer rank... How did this guy get the Austrian Red Cross (officer rank class) and not a Prussian Red Cross Medal or any other German state red cross equivalent decoration as German? Without any hard evidences you can argue my statement but you can't prove it... I am sorry. Not that my statement is 100% correct, but also it can be wrong. In this case I'd like to hear a comment from an Austrian collector and ask him what he thinks about it! Ciao, Claudio