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Thanks unmo300, i’m keen to pin these makers down if i can and this one wasn’t settled for me. Can you expand on anything for me please? It would be great to have a reference to place on here if possible, 👍 I’m translating (from Hungarian) as Győrffy és Wolf - Győrffy & Wolf (names Fémipari - Metallurgical Részvénytársaság - (joint stock) company Is this roughly it? ‘Győrffy & Wolf Metalwork Company’ Did you already have knowledge of Győrffy & Wolf and the GW mark? A lot of questions i know, my apologies and thanks in advance! tony 🍻 Ps i wonder if i am related?? 😊

👍👍. Hi Bill, re the back… i agree it seems a date seems unlikely, I think if it was a date then J2 isn’t really enough as it could be any one of jan, jun, July. & 1925 is a later date than you’d expect for an AH item. Also yes it clearly a ‘solid’ quality piece. Sadly I can’t find anything relevant to help. Last thought… If it wasn’t on a sub or boat maybe it was on a building? The curve perhaps for fitting to a pillar/column. 🤷‍♂️ best wishes tony 🍻

Taken from www.jstor.org ’The 17th Light Dragoons had been serving in India from 1808 , where it remained for fourteen years, embarking for home on 9th January, 1823. During its stay in India the regiment had been converted into Lancers.1 Immediately on arriving in England the change from Light Dragoons to Lancers was carried out’ 1823 was spent re-equipping the new lancers with officers first as they purchased their own uniforms. The design on the back of the button dates to ”circa 1925” so in this case I’d say 1823. I think the button you’ve posted was an early officers private commission based on 👇a regular design for them at the time. There’s no record of it I can find. A nice button indeed… cheers tony 🍻

Hi Bill, it may be a bit more interesting than expected... i agree at first glance it seems a straightforward 17th Lancers but I cannot find one like this. The 17th Lancers and, post 1922 I believe, The 17/21 Lancers button was like your example but not the same. 👇 You will notice ☝️ the skull and crossbones meet, this was the case with every example I’ve seen while looking so far today... Not yours It needs a little more investigation 😊 Cheers tony 🍻

Lovely thing Bill, the details on the front are so crisp. Just checking- is it in one piece? Have you tried to decipher the marking on the back? Could be a date or something more helpful.., tony 🍻

Lovely work Greg!!

After further review- i no longer think the four lugs examples i found are original pre 1958 style. The details in the fingers vary slightly on each design. Of my examples are some possibly fake or from the short period they used Anodised Aluminium (58-61ish) before their amalgamation, and others that are genuine later Royal Highlanders badges. I thought that i had found another Seaforth Highlanders badge in my box, but... it had four lugs which seemed too much of a coincidence given the subject So that is what led me look further & soon i worked out mine and the others are in fact part of the later Royal Highlanders badge. 👇 —-///-/ Finding 1 out of 2 isn't bad 😊 but shame I didn’t find the four lug badge of folklore fame! In my opinion anyone that said they found one (the chances are...) didn’t, though of course it’s possible. The original officer version, though almost identical to OR’s, was visibly in two pieces. That leaves the newer post 1961 badges like mine, that have 4 lugs as the most likely true identity... 🤷‍♂️ who knows for sure though eh... not me! But Its been fun looking, Ive identified my badges and learnt a bit which is the point. 😊. Cheers tony. 🍻

Cheers Graf 🍻 —-//— Well, here is the badge of mine i was thinking of... Two piece construction. it’s 50mm top to bottom. its 35mm side to side. The pipers badge is based on 👇 which is the ‘Guidich An Righ’ clan badge for ‘Mckenzies of Seaforth’. I don’t know if mine is the correct badge as it has a pin back not lugs as i would normally expect. However the design is the same variation of the ‘Guidich An Righ’ as that shown on the chart, ☝️, with the stags head lower and overlapping the border... Cheers tony 🍻

I can’t help but i like them 👍👍

I had to have another look for badges with 4 lugs... my photo album 👇 then i found this 👇 So there is a specific pipers badge. ——-//— Also i found a few examples of 4 lug badges, some old, some new & some cast and surely some not original but it would seem to me there is the likelihood of genuine 4 lug badges. A few examples... Cheers tony PS the weird thing is I think i might have one of the 1900-58 badges 🤷‍♂️ I’ll have a rummage this week...

Thanks for the information Vincent 🍻 & Yes! 👇 Cheers tony

Hi Gents, i only spotted these fellas just as the auction was ending, got them for £17 + £3 postage. I didn’t have time to look into them but i hope for £20 it was worth a punt. 5 miniatures with ribbon... Numbers 3 & 4 caught my eye the most. I’ll post some pics when i get them but in the meantime... any information or observations are most welcome and appreciated Gents. cheers tony 🍻

I don’t suppose it was a combination of trades? I had wondered if this was a drivers patch over a carpenters wheel patch. The more I look at it though, the circle looks irregular and more like a wreath? As you say - Frustrating! tony🍻

It a great looking thing 👍👍 It seems he wrote a manual… tony🍻

Hello both, a great description of a lively medal, 👍 it made me find mine, the swivel bar is a bit bent and the ribbon is a bit torn…. but that’s the way I like them 😊 If I may, here’s a couple of pictures I’d never thought about it’s originality 🤷‍♂️ (to me) it has great detail, then I saw the fish on yours! Yours have crystal clear tails and my fish have no tails at all! Pictures may not show it but they are very blobby, I hope you’ll tell me it’s just wear but either way, compared to the the first ones detail? it was lovely seeing it like that. best wishes tony 🍻 ps I don’t know their history together before me, but they came from Japan together and live together now so seemed rude to leave his friend out.

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Hi Mark, as you have chosen this challenging subject, you will know the regs for a Scottish pipers glengarry ( so correct me if I’m wrong 😊 ), they were ‘plain not diced’… So this picture of/with Seaforths shows one with a plain glengarry, a piper, his cap badge looks to me like the regular OR pattern and the same as some of the others worn in the photo. Also I have a cap badge book and that lists no separate piper badge either… Hope this helps 👍 cheers tony 🍻

Hi Robbie, i haven’t heard of anything like that. Various regulation patches would have been issued and worn on uniforms while in service but not one issued after for ‘commemorative purposes’ as such. Ard you asking about a patch you have? or curious/wanting to learn of one? tony 🍻 * There is a National Service Medal now available that he would be entitled to.

Hi Martin, welcome to the club 🍻 Good question… the usual design I’d expect is the more simple star like this 👇 The book the picture is taken from states ‘Drivers badges were all replaced by a star in 1950’ and has no mention of the ‘encircled star’ design in your picture. A separate ‘QI’ instructor patch would be worn on the left forearm if applicable. There are an abundance of little star patches used by various militaries… so I suppose it is possible this isn’t a British issued patch. I don’t think the 🇬🇧 army has ever been that ‘flexible’ with dress regs, but maybe it was a stop gap 🤷‍♂️ I’ll have another look though before I give up…& maybe, as so often happens, in time another Gent will have the answer. Let us know if you have any luck yourself 🤞 cheers tony

Hi Gents, Why didn’t I just leave it at that…🤷‍♂️ I couldn’t though. On the rim of a thin KTK a simplified makers mark is understandable but there is plenty of space on Grahams wound medal for Grossmans usual mark. I’ve been looking for others so I kept looking for GW and I found one. In theory, it has to be him. The GW is his makers mark. Unless the business had ceased trading by 1916 and it was up for grabs? I can’t get any results for him or his business on Google, even with ‘Wilde’ and ‘Wildt’. I guess there are some in German but it just isn’t matching me with them. Any thoughts Gents? tony 🍻

Hi Gents, tony 🍻

How much of that is paint tho?? 👀 Whats the story 1812? 🍻

Hi Gents The GW is identified as Grossman Wien. There is still an MKT to try and find…🤞 tony 🍻

Well Gents, I’ve looked into this for ages now… there is no recognised maker known to use GW. There are a few German makers including Wellner who it could match, after all KTK were made for veterans in the 30’s and GW could be one of them but there is one reference claiming to identify it. I still wouldn’t bet the mortgage on this because it was/is only one reference in a ‘for sale’ ad, however it is an Austrian maker and who am I to discount it. Graham, thanks for this 👆, it was the 18 that led me to it, it was also a wound medal, apparently marked GW&18 and representing Grossman, Vienna. Though other Grossman marks exist and no records of this one does… I’m going with Grossman. cheers tony