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Gentlemen, this is what I have for Carl Gustav Ernst von Petersdorff (Ernst Karl Gustav von Petersdorff), retired 1897, any additions would be great. Short question: During the Franco-German War, he served in Mainz. Would he have gotten the War Commemorative Medal of 1870–1871 for non-combatants? Thanks! Prussian Order of the Crown (Kronenorden), 4th Class with Swords Prussian Commemorative Cross for the Campaign of 1866 (Erinnerungs-Kreuz für den Feldzug von 1866) Order of Philip the Magnanimous (Verdienstorden Philipps des Großmüthigen), Knight's Cross 1st Class (GHVP3a/HP3a) ... later, as of rank list 1894, classified with swords (GHVP3a⚔/HP3a⚔) War Commemorative Medal of 1870-1871 (Kaiserliche Kriegsdenkmünze 1870/71; KD70/71) in Steel on the Ribbon for Combatants (Band für Kämpfer) House Order of Hohenzollern, Knight's Cross (HOH3) Red Eagle Order (Roter Adlerorden), 4th Class Prussian Long Service Cross for 25 years (Königlich Preußisches Dienstauszeichnungskreuz; DA) Japanese Order of the Rising Sun, 3rd Class (JVAS3/JV3) Prussian Order of the Crown, 3rd Class with Swords on Ring Baden Order of the Zähringer Lion (Orden vom Zähringer Löwen), Commander 2nd Class (BZL2b/BZ2b) Order of the Iron Crown (Austria), 2nd Class (ÖEK2) Württemberg Order of the Crown, Commander (WK2/WK2b) Red Eagle Order, 3rd Class with the Bow Prussian Order of the Crown, 2nd Class with Swords on Ring (neck order) Italian Order of Saints Maurice and Lazarus, Commander (JMuL3/JM3) Austrian-Hungarian Imperial Order of Leopold, Commander (ÖL2) Russian Order of Saint Anna (St.-Annen-Orden), II. Class (RA2) Red Eagle Order, 2nd Class with Oak Leaves in 1893 Star to his Prussian Order of the Crown 2nd Class with Swords on Ring Crown to his Red Eagle Order 2nd Class with Oak Leaves Grand Cross of the Mecklenburg Order of the Griffon (MGrO1/MG1) Order of the Iron Crown (Austria), 1st Class (ÖEK1) Star to his Red Eagle Order 2nd Class with Oak Leaves and Crown Prussian Order of the Crown, 1st Class with Swords on Ring Prussian Centenary Medal 1897 (Zentenarmedaille)

Add: Knight of the Johanniter-Orden in January 1830 ... On 15 October 1852, the Knight's were named Knight of Honour (Ehrenritter).

Thank you, gentlemen, I was hoping to find a reason to his death, but we probably never will. About the Johanniterorden (Rechtsritter), I got the information here (Gothaisches Genealogisches Taschenbuch der Gräflichen Häuser, 1922, p. 848).

Gentlemen, Carl Philipp August Graf von Schlieffen (1798–1845), the 2nd commander of the Garde-Unter-Officier-Compagnie, died relatively young in 1845 in Vives-Eaux near Melun, France, but I just cannot find out how. I found a French newspaper article (third column), but my Gymnasium French has long gone been forgotten. Does one of you Gentlemen read French? If yes, does the article in any way report why Graf von Schlieffen was in France and how he died? Maybe an accident? Thank you! Here are the decorations I have for him: Iron Cross (1813), 2nd Class Prussian War Commemorative Medal for the Wars of Liberation (Kriegsdenkmünze für die Befreiungskriege) Order of Saint Vladimir, 4th Class (RW4) Imperial Russian Sankt-Stanislaus-Orden, III. Class (RSt3) Russian Order of Saint Anna (Sankt-Annen-Orden), 2nd Class (RA2) Prussian Long Service Cross for 25 years (Königlich Preußisches Dienstauszeichnungskreuz; DA) Imperial Russian Sankt-Stanislaus-Orden, II. Class (RSt2) Royal Hanoverian Guelphic Order, Knight's Cross (HG3) Knight (Ritter; Rr) of the Johanniter-Orden Red Eagle Order (Roter Adlerorden), 4th Class (PRAO4/PrA4) Russian Order of Saint Anna (Sankt-Annen-Orden), 2nd Class with Diamonds (RA2mBr) Royal Hanoverian Guelphic Order, Knight's Cross with Diamonds (HG3mBr) Württemberg Order of the Crown, Commander (WK2)

Gentlemen, this is what I have for Wilhelm von Thümen (1792-1856): Iron Cross (1813), 2nd Class Prussian War Commemorative Medal for the Wars of Liberation (Kriegsdenkmünze für die Befreiungskriege) Order of Saint Vladimir, 4th Class (RW4) Baden Order of the Zähringer Lion (Orden vom Zähringer Löwen), Commander's Cross (GBZL2/BZL2) Russian Order of Saint Anna (Sankt-Annen-Orden), 2nd Class with Diamonds (RA2m.Br/RA2mBr) on 25 September 1826 Knight of Honour (Ehrenritter) of the Johanniter-Orden in January 1830 Imperial Russian Sankt-Stanislaus-Orden, III. Class (RSt3) Order of Saint Vladimir, 3rd Class (RW3) on 30 September 1835 Red Eagle Order (Roter Adlerorden), 4th Class (PRAO4/PrA4) Prussian Long Service Cross for 25 years (Königlich Preußisches Dienstauszeichnungskreuz; DA) on 9 February 1838 Red Eagle Order, 3rd Class with the Bow Imperial Russian Sankt-Stanislaus-Orden, II. Class (RSt2) Grand Duchy of Hesse Ludwig Order, Commander's Cross 1st Class (GHL2a/HL2a) Red Eagle Order, 2nd Class with Oak Leaves and the Star Danish Order of Dannebrog, Grand Cross (DD1) in February 1852 Russian Order of Saint Anna, I. Class with the Crown and with Diamonds (RA1mKruBr/RA1mKuBr) in December 1852 Red Eagle Order, 1st Class with Oak Leaves in January 1854

That's too bad, Herman, I was hoping for a date. NN2 can be seen for the first time in the Rangliste 1893, so maybe 1891 or 1892.

Perfect, thank you!

Thanks again, Johan! Do your documents say Oberstleutnant? He was promoted to Lieutenant Colonel on 24 December 1888 ... unless I got something wrong. Many Greetings Andreas

Thank you!

Gentlemen, this is what I have for Bernhard von Lippe, any additions or dates would be great. Thanks! War Commemorative Medal of 1864 (Kriegs-Denkmünze für 1864; KD64) Commemorative Cross for the Campaign of 1866 (Erinnerungs-Kreuz für den Feldzug von 1866) Iron Cross (1870), 2nd and 1st Class War Commemorative Medal of 1870-1871 (Kaiserliche Kriegsdenkmünze 1870/71; KD70/71) with several Battle Clasps Baden Order of the Zähringer Lion (Orden vom Zähringer Löwen), Knight's Cross I. Class (BZL3a/BZ3a) Prussian Long Service Cross for 25 years (Königlich Preußisches Dienstauszeichnungskreuz; DA) as of Rangliste 1886 Red Eagle Order (Roter Adlerorden), 4th Class (PRAO4/PrA4) Commemorative plaque for the royal princes, general adjutants and adjutants (Gedenkzeichen für die Königlichen Prinzen, Generaladjutanten und Flügeladjutanten) Prussian Order of the Crown (Preußischer Kronenorden), 3rd Class Order of Henry the Lion (Herzoglich Braunschweigischer Orden Heinrichs des Löwen), Commander's Cross 2nd Class (BrHL2b/BrH2b) Danish Order of Dannebrog, Commander 2nd Class (DD2b) on 25 August 1888 Order of the Crown of Italy, Commander (JK3) Royal Norwegian Order of Saint Olav, Commander II. Class with Swords (NO2b⚔) on 24 September 1888 House Order of the Wendish Crown (Hausorden der Wendischen Krone), Commander (MWK2b/MK2b) House and Merit Order of Peter Frederick Louis, Ehren-Komturkreuz or Honour Commanders Cross (OV2b) Albrechts-Orden of Saxony, Commander 2nd Class (SA2b) Order of the Redeemer (Greece), Commander (GE2b) Order of the Iron Crown (Austria), 2nd Class (ÖEK2) Order of the Crown of Romania (Orden der Krone von Rumänien), Commander (RumK3) Russian Order of Saint Anna (St.-Annen-Orden), II. Class (RA2) Ottoman Medschidie-Orden (Medjidie-Orden), 2nd Class (TM2) Red Eagle Order, 3rd Class with the Bow House Order of Hohenzollern, Knight's Cross (HOH3) Order of Albert the Bear, Commander 2nd Class (AAB2b/AB2b) Hesse Order of Merit of Philip the Magnanimous (Verdienstorden Philipps des Großmütigen), Commander 2nd Class (GHVP2b) ... later (as of Rangliste 1894) received the swords to the Commander 2nd Class (GHVP2b⚔/HP2b⚔) Order of Leopold (Belgium), Officer (BL2b) Prussian Order of the Crown, 2nd Class Bavarian Military Merit Order, Commander's Cross (BMV2b) Friedrichs-Orden, Commander's Cross (Kommenturkreuz) 2nd Class (WF2b) Austrian-Hungarian Imperial Order of Leopold, Commander (ÖL2) Order of the Star of Romania, Commander (StvRum2b/RumSt2b/RumSt3) Order of the Crown of Italy, Grand Officer (JK2) Order of Orange-Nassau, Grand Officer (NN2) Russian Order of Saint Stanislaus, 2nd Class with Star (RSt2mSt) House Order of Hohenzollern, Commander's Cross (HOH2) Albrechts-Orden of Saxony, Commander 1st Class (SA2a) Baden Order of the Zähringer Lion, Commander 2nd Class with Oak Leaves (BZL2bmE/BZ2bmE) Württemberg Order of the Crown, Commander (WK2b) Friedrichs-Orden, Commander's Cross (Kommenturkreuz) 1st Class (WF2a) Italian Order of Saints Maurice and Lazarus, Grand Commander (JMuL2/JM2) Princely House Order of Hohenzollern (Fürstlich Hohenzollern'sches Ehrenzeichen), Commander's Cross of Honour (HEK2a) Schaumburg Lippe House Order, Cross of Honour 1st Class (SLH.EK1/SLHK1/SLH1) Swedish Schwertorden, Grand Cross (SS1) on 12 July 1895 Anniversary Oak Leaves (Jubiläums-Eichenlaub „25“ 1870/1895) to the Iron Cross 2nd Class Franz-Joseph-Orden, Grand Cross (ÖFJ1) Red Eagle Order, 2nd Class with Oak Leaves

That's great, Andreas (Namensvetter), thank you! Many greetings Andreas

Thank you! Maybe the Allgemeines Ehrenzeichen (Saxony-Weimar-Eisenach)?!

What are the two medals to the far right? Russian? The last one possibly the Erinnerungsmedaille (Sankt-Georgs-Medaille) der Deutsch-Russischen Westarmee 1919? What is the medal below between EK I and Baltenkreuz? Thanks!

PLM Titter = PLM Ritter ... that's funny. Thanks for these great infos. 48 victories (Luftsiege)!!! Sozialhilfeempfänger? Very sad!

Zugriff verweigert ... 😞

Gentlemen, this is what I have for Wilhelm Ludwig Erich Felix von Tschischwitz, any additions or corrections, as always, very welcome: 22 March 1889 Sekondeleutnant (2nd Lieutenant) 1 September 1896 Premierleutnant (1st Lieutenant) 22 March 1902 Hauptmann (Captain) 10 September 1908 Major 19 August 1914 Oberstleutnant (Lieutenant Colonel) 18 April 1917 Oberst (Colonel) 1 April 1921 Generalmajor 1 February 1923 Generalleutnant 1 November 1927 General der Infanterie Prussian Centenary Medal 1897 (Zentenarmedaille) Red Eagle Order (Roter Adlerorden), 4th Class with the Crown ... 4th Class as of Rank Seniority List 1910 ... Crown as of Rank Seniority List 1911 Prussian Order of the Crown (Preußischer Kronenorden), 3rd Class Bavarian Military Merit Order, 4th Class with the Crown (BMV4mKr) Prussian Long Service Cross for 25 years (Königlich Preußisches Dienstauszeichnungskreuz; DA) Iron Cross (1914), 2nd and 1st Class ... 2nd Class on 11 September 1914 ... 1st Class on 10 October 1914 Hanseatic Cross of Hamburg (HH) Hanseatic Cross of Lübeck (LübH/LüH) Military Merit Cross (Großherzoglich Mecklenburg-Schwerinsches Militärverdienstkreuz), 2nd Class (MMV2/MK2) Friedrichs-Orden, Commander's Cross (Kommenturkreuz), 2nd Class with Swords (WF2b⚔) Saxon Albrechts-Orden, Officer's Cross with Swords (SA3⚔) Bavarian Military Merit Order, Officer's Cross with Swords (BMV.O⚔/BM.O⚔) Order of the Iron Crown (Austria), 3rd Class with the War Decoration (ÖEK3K/ÖE3K) Military Merit Cross (Austria-Hungary), 3rd Class with the War Decoration (ÖM3K) House Order of Hohenzollern, Knight's Cross with Swords (HOH3⚔) Prussian Order of the Crown, 2nd Class with Swords (PKO2⚔) Pour le Mérite with Oak Leaves ... Pour le Mérite on 9 November 1917 ... Oak Leaves on 23 March 1918 Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer

Hello, Dave, thanks for the info, as I see he died in Hamburg 1972 (which was new to me) and was buried in Itzehoe. Do you know why this source has a death date of 26 April 1961? His daughter Dr. Ursula Lindig (6.11.1923 - 12.4.2015) was also buried in Itzehoe. Greetings Andreas

Dr. Kemnade was also there for the 50th anniversary (Abiturjahrgang 1914, Ernst-Moritz-Arndt-Gymnasium Osnabrück).

Is it possible to show the picture of Adolf Pirmann as Luftwaffen-Oberst without the red arrows? Thanks!

Hello, Alex, the "Ehrenpreis" from 1918, could that be the Honour Goblet for the Victor in Aerial Combat (Ehrenbecher für den Sieger im Luftkampf) or rather the Ehrenpreis der Marineflieger? Thanks! Is it right, that Gerhard Erich Siegfried Hubrich became a Major of the Luftwaffe in WWII? Any other decorations outside of the clasps to the EK II and I? Many greetings Andreas Hello, Stephan! Was your mother Marion (b. 12 June 1939 in Hamburg) his daughter (out of wedlock) or adopted / step-daughter? I read somewehre, that she was born a "Heberle", mother Renate Heberle (married Gerhard(t) on 8 May 1943), younger sister Karin Heberle (b. 14 August 1941 in Konigstein). Thank you Andreas

Thanks to Dave and Daniel I was able to add some decorations, but I am surely still missing some WWI awards (German states, foreign) ... any additions would be great. Maybe even a picture? Thanks!!! Order of the Cross of Takovo (Serbia), Knight's Cross (ST5) Prussian Centenary Medal 1897 (Zentenarmedaille) Red Eagle Order (Roter Adlerorden), 4th Class Mecklenburg Greifen-Orden, Knight's Cross (MGrO3/MG3) Order of the White Falcon (Hausorden vom Weißen Falken), Knight's Cross 2nd Class (GSF3b) Saxe-Ernestine House Order, Knight Cross 1st Class (HSEH3a/HSH3a) Knight's Cross First Class of the Friedrich Order (WF3a) Prussian Long Service Cross (Dienstauszeichnungskreuz), 1908 Siam Order of the White Elephant, Officer's Cross (SE4) Schaumburg-Lippe House Order, Officer's Cross of Honour (SLH.O) on 27 January 1909 Lippe House Order (Lippischer Hausorden), Honour Cross 3rd Class (LDH3) The Most Noble Order of the Crown of Siam (Orden der Siamesischen Krone), Commander's Cross (SK3) Württemberg Order of the Crown (Ehrenkreuz des Ordens der Württembergischen Krone), Honour Cross (WK2c) Oak Leaves to his Lippe House Order Honour Cross 3rd Class (LDH3mE) Military Merit Order (Bavaria), 3rd class (BMV3) Prussian Order of the Crown (Preußischer Kronenorden), 3rd Class Lippe House Order, Officer's Cross of Honour (LDH.O) Red Eagle Order, 3rd Class with the Bow Iron Cross (1914), 2nd and 1st Class Prussian Order of the Crown, 2nd Class with Swords in 1916 House Order of Hohenzollern, Commander's Cross (Komtur) with Swords Red Eagle Order, 2nd Class with Oak Leaves and Swords in 1918 Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer

Thank you! About my wrong wording for BMV3⚔ ... this was also before 1906 (1900 to 1905) the Officer's Cross, but as of 1906 it was shortened BMV.O⚔ ... because of the swords same class ... thanks for pointing this out!

That's great, thank you! By the way, many thanks for Daniel's great list ... what absolutely great work! I finally found him, although written Loringhofen.

Gentlemen, can anyone give me any information on WWI veteran Karl Kapp (exact birth/death date, which university, Einjährig-Freiwilliger?, last rank, decorations), who was severly wounded 1916, entered the consular service, was stationed in Constantinople, Budapest and Damascus during the rest of the war (Turkish decorations?) and was later diplomat, among other places in Jerusalem, Bombay, Cleveland, Sofia. Thank you! Picture: Kapp (with Henry Ford and Fritz Hailer in 1938) on the right (Reserveoffizier??? EK II?).

Thanks, gentlemen. Daniel, if you find some time, please show us the picture. Since 1861, receiving the Black Eagle Order always meant receiving the Großkreuz of the RAO, do I remember that right? At least until 1914, so why not 1914 to 1918 ... hmmm ... please let me know!