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Same tool,same kind of frame......

I accept your point,my friend-but let me finish my rocky horror pictureshow..... Here we go....

Bill,I hope you don't mind that I use some scans of your EK....here are the 3 suspects!

Close enough? Here's the reverse....

So fare so good.....so have a look at this one! Looks like Bill's EK,doesn't it?

Just to complete the reverse,here's the catch and the marking

And the reverse

OK,here we start with the twin brother of Bill's EK.If you look closely at the frame and the core you will see they match perfect! Obverse

OK-you all think it's a Grossmann-but why? Just because an identical EK with the magic"11" at the back? George,I know you are a "hardliner" in saying "Grossmann". But please have a look at the frame and at the core....you see the tool markings at the inner,lower 9 o'clock corner? That is looking like two dots? Gentlemen,please have a look at your collections-especially for a "Deumer" core without a blob. You will find the same tool markings again. And of course the same core.....OK-Grossman could have used frames and cores from other producers.....sounds good? Not for me! "Grossmann had made 2nd class EKs-but the core is completely different.Well,let me resize a few pics.... Micha

Hi@all, I found this auction at Ebay... http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt...AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 I thought Godet stamped JG&S? I've seen this stampings at 4th class REOs.So is this an unusual one? Or a fake? Sorry for this questions,but I didn't find anything in the web about it. Regards Micha

Here's a 1914 Meybauer pinback-please have a look at the core......For my eyes they where made by the same tool! So if the guys at the german forum are right, a faker has to take an imperial Meybauer pinback,open the frame and has to put a new core in.Then he has to organize an early 1939 Meybauer with the typical Meybauer pin and hinge for the parts......To stay serious-we have a 1914 Meaybauer pinback frame together with the pin and the hinge of an early 1939 Meybauer ......later I will post some comparisons between the two frames. Micha

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Here's another one you won't see any day-It's not in the same league as Biro's wonderful Godet,but I think it's worth to have a look on it... Micha

That's a real killer EK! And together with a very special KMST absolutely at the top of my "wanted"list. .......You are a lucky man. Micha

Thanx,Bill! I think that helps.... George,I think it's because nobody knowns this variation. But the sad thing is,nobody really want to discuss this EK! It's a bad,ugly fake and that's it....Not the way I like the exchange of knowledge.So your Schinkel is from DN? Micha

Not every day?....You're jokin'! I've never seen one before exept this one you've posted at the MCF! I think it's much easier to get an L/50 screwback.... Micha

Hi Bill-yes,a good scan would be good! Micha

That's possible.But I think my scans are good enough to see that DNs copy of the week is a different cross to ours....I would whish these EKs are real,but we should find out more about it. Unfortunately I haven't got a TR period Meybauer with the "early" pin in my collection.Think I will scan it again with 1200 dpi for more details. Micha

Reverse

Hi@all, after reading George's thread about Meybauer pinbacks in another forum I would like to pick it up again....This "Schinkel" EK1 dropped in a few days ago-and since it arrived I don't know what to do with it! My first thought was:boah,beautyful Meybauer Schinkel-but then I realized that I've never heard anything about this version....then I was reading George's thread and I thought everything is fine.... After posting my cross at the biggest german forum(with the thumb down by everybody) I would like to discuss it here,because I hope to get some better opinions like"fake,bad ugly fake".But let pictures speak........ Micha

"Schinkel" Reverse