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Gentlemen, Further to my cataloguing of my long forgotten Yugoslav collection - I detail below what I have. All of these were purchased during 1990-4 as a side line to my main focus on Arab awards and indeed were collecting dust. Prices where noted are in Canadian dollars when the C$ was substantially weaker than it is now. I have no idea what they are worth now but I suspect that as the bulk of these awards are commonplace that an insurance value would be most modest. Thanks for your interest - this particular site on the GMIC is quite a revelation - I have a lot to do to get up to speed on these awards - perhaps I should stick with Arabia! Kind regards, Owain (Listing originally posted as a spreashseet and subsequently amended) Awards of the Republic of Yugoslavia Award Grade / Type Cost ManufactureRibbon, etc. Order of Bravery 1st Type (No.5651) C$116 Soviet issue Pentangular ribbon & 2nd Type (No.11359) C$36 Pentangular ribbon Partisan Decoration1st Type C$86 Screwback with washer & 2nd Type (No.16537) C$151 IKOM Zagreb Screwback Order of the Partisan Star (Number engraved/scratched) 3rd Class (No.7183) STOLPNJE Screwback - bronze & lettering in cyrrillic script - possibly incorrect screw Order of National Merit 3rd Class (No.80345) IKOM Zagreb Screwback Order of Brotherhood & Unity 2nd Class (No.57656) IKOM Zagreb Screwback - 5 flames Order of Labour (Work) 1st Class (No.1217) C$75 IKOM Zagreb Screwback - 2 screws & 2nd Class ZNB-KOVNICA Pin back & 3rd Class ZNB-KOVNICA Pin back Order of the People's Army 3rd Class Pin back Order of Military Merit 3rd Class Pin back Medal of Bravery 1st Type C$91 Soviet issue Pentangular ribbon & 2nd Type C$27 Pentangular ribbon Medal of National Merit Bronze C$12 Pentangular ribbon Medal of Labour (Work) Bronze C$25 Pentangular ribbon Medal of Military Merit Bronze C$20 Triangular ribbon Medal of Distinguished Service Bronze C$12 Triangular ribbon 1941-45 War Medal Silvered Small horizontal ribbon 1951 10th Army Anniversary Bnze/Gilt C$31 Triangular ribbon 1961 20th Army Anniversary Bnze/Gilt C$11 Triangular ribbon 1971 30th Army Anniversary Bnze/Gilt C$21 Triangular ribbon 1981 40th Army Anniversary Bnze/Gilt C$15 Triangular ribbon 1991 50th Army Anniversary Bnze/Gilt C$31 Triangular ribbon Reservists Medal Bronze C$16 No ribbon 1975 30th Anniversary of 1945 Victory Bronze C$10 Triangular ribbon 1945-6 Dunav Bridge Medal Bronze/gilt C$201 Screwback to vertical ribbon (green-black-green possibly incorrect ribbon) - screwback lettering in cyrillic script Marksman / Shooting Medal Gilt Triangular ribbon Pohoroja Partisan Hospital Medal Enamel brooch ribbon Yugoslavia Serbia Red Cross 1st Class Gilt ZIN-KOVNICA Horizontal brooch susp. & 2nd Class Silvered ZIN-KOVNICA Horizontal brooch susp. Yugoslavia Slovenia Partisan Medal Bronze (No.2895) Horizontal brooch susp. Yugoslavia 1988 Serbia 70th Anniv. of WW1Gilt Triangular ribbon

Gentlemen, Many thanks indeed - I take up this offer and as is traditional here in Arabia I willl try and negotiate a discount! I have a small Yugoslav collection which I have long left alone - I have been in Saudi since 1989 and thus my focus has been on Arab awards. I do have though a Dunav Bridge Medal and the 1945 War Medal. I will see what esle I have and list them for you. Again thank you. Owain (ONSA & OMRS)

Gentlemen, I have been offered, here in Riyadh, a 2nd class set (no ribbon or case but both pieces in excellent condition) - awarded to a Saudi - probably in the 1960's - I have already purchased some of his Arab awards. The set is the ruby version - I cannot recall the flame numbers. The asking price is SR3,800 (US$1,013) - is this a fair price? Kind regards, Owain Raw-Rees P.S. On the above proof sheets - check the spelling of breast as in Breast star - not 'brest' and reverse not 'avers'

If you look carefully Abdullah is wearing his father's medals! There is no way that he could have been an active partcipant in the 1948 War, the battle of Karama in 1967 or the 1973 Ramadan War! Regards, Owain

The King's Jrodainan ribbons are, I think, as follows: Order (collar) of Al Hussain, Order of Renaissance, Hashemite Star, Military Gallantry, Order of the Star, Order of Independence, Medal of Honour, Battle of Karama 1967 Medal, Ramadan War 1973 Medal and Silver Jubilee 1977 Medal - thereafter foriegn awards. Regards, Owain

The Spink auction last Thursday had a 2nd class DRS issue by Spink - went for GBP480 - see lot 695 for pictures. Owain

From the November 1993 Spink Numismatic Circular: SDF DSM - silver unamed. Rare. Near EF GBP375. SDF Native Officer's Decoration, silver, edge engraved with Arabic inscription. Scarce. Good VF GBP150. SDF LS&GC, bronze, edge engraved with Arabic inscription. Scarce. Good VF GBP100. SDF GSM, 1933, silver. EF GBP200. An example of the SDF LSGC went for about GBP700 (+hammer) in the September 2007 DNW auction! Ouch! Owain

With regard to the posted images the award illustrated in the 1980 Spink Protocol publication is with enamelled flags but to confuse matters the award illustrated by Spink has the narrow 'spikes' of the unenamelled example shown by Sabrigade. Also their 'bird' head faces left, as one looks at it, as it does with all DRS insignia. As to the terms of the award, I had thought to provide a summary, but I quote if full from the 1974 Act: "This Order shall be awarded to citizens, whether military or civilian, who approach the May Revolution with complete and untainted allegiance to its principles and objectives. For dedictaing their efforts in thought and deed, in mobilizing their powers and capabilities in complete preparation for building, construction and in maintenance of the unity of the homeland, in fighting off all tyrannies in trust of the unity of object, in maintenance of unity of the column and in abiding by the Charter of its national work, emanating from its political organisation." Who writes this stuff? Concerning Spink I was told some years ago that the reason that there were a number of Sudan awards available in the UK market was that the Sudan Government had not paid their dues in full to Spink and thus awards were retained and when Spink closed/sold off thier manufacturing arm, located in Raynes Park, a number of awards from various nations came onto the market. Before the relocation of Spink from St. James's and the departure of various staff to other companies I found these staff to be most helpful, however as with most companies you will need to build up a relationship with individuals. Kind regards from a sand storm swept Riyadh, Owain Owain

Try, http://www.fitzmuseum.cam.ac.uk/dept/coins...on/index13.html The Watson Collection is quite a find - this piece also has a concave reverse. Owain

Over the past few years a number have been for sale in the London DNW auctions - all make prices in excess of $1,000. I seem to recall that the one on display at the Mahdi's museum in Omdurman is a gilded example (there is one also at the Ftizwilliam Museum in Cambridge) and had been awarded to the Bishop of Khartoum but my memory is vague on this.... I believe that the inscription - not clear on this example reads to the effect "Defence of Khartoum" and the year - but I would need to check my notes. Owain

The Arabic on the collar badge, sash badge and breast badge appears to read "Al Hussain Bin Abdullah", and the three links read, right to left "The Collar of Al Hussain Bin AlI" Regards, Owain

There are three versions of this medal - Army, Poilce and Prison - only differentiated by the ribbon and all made by Spink. The one you illustrate bears on the obverse the inscription "Republic of Sudan" - I am not sure if there is a "Democratic Republic of Sudan" version, but I suspect so. Owain

I suspect as much chance as you will have of heairng church bells in Riyadh...... Owain

There is a picture of this in the Spink issued handbook but I will have to get home first before providing further detail. Owain

Yes there are these two version but the 2nd type has the name "Fouad Al Awal" (Fouad the First) so I would suggest that , whilst Hussain Kamel authorised new issue of the medal by the time it came to be manufctured Fouad had succeeded him as Sultan in 1917 (?)- I believe Hussain Kamel died after a diner party but I digress.... Owain

Also good to note that the Khedive's Sudan medal (2nd issue ) is of the 2nd type - i.e. with the name Fouad Al Awal (Fouad The First) who succeed Hussain Kamel in 1917(?) as Sultan and later (1923?) became King Fouad. Owain

I have a 1st Class, 1st Type Garrard cased set - the order is in silver only - I supect the gilded issue illustrated is a 2nd type by Spink. The inscription reads "Al Nilain" (the Two Niles) - similar to Bahrain (Two Seas) Owain

I went to a wedding in Khartoum in 1999 and browsed the shops - few and far between but had some modest success and flew back to Saudi with medals. Customs are now, it seems, a bit more attentive! Your comments of pricing are most valid and indeed demand by a Westerner immediaetey pushes prices up - this has beecome all to apparent with Iraqi awards. My vistis to Yemen as a lone individual have had the same result and I find that the only real way of dealing with inflated prices is to be preapred to walk away! However the collector usualy find this difficult and we are seen as an economic opportunity for the local traders. Regards, Owain

The sash badge is the Order of Distinction (Al Imtiaz) 1st type with rhino suspension and the breast star is the Order of the Republic, 2nd type with the inscription "Democratic Republic of Sudan". Owain

This is from a Police & Prisons series of awards (Obverse "Sudan Police and Prison Force"; Reverse - "For Great Service") and to my mind is contemporary with the Governor General's military series. I have a Bravery Medal of similar design - alas unamed - image to follow. I believe the manufacturer could well be the Royal Mint but I have no firm evidence of this - a copy of the annual reports back to the 1920's would be nice! Regards, Owain

Gentlemen, I originally posted this under Militaria when it should more properly have been in this forum: On Thursday in the souk in Riyadh I purchased a 2.95 inch Vickers-Maxim (I think) brass shell case dated 1916 - a chain and lid had been affixed to allow for carriage and storage of small coffee cups. I believe that this gun was only used in "colonial" conflicts. Is there any way of ascertaining whether such artillery pieces were used by Lawrence & Co during the Arab Revolt? Many thanks, Owain Raw-Rees

Gentlemen, On Thursday in the souk in Riyadh I purchased a 2.95 inch Vickers-Maxim (I think) brass shell case dated 1916 - a chain and lid had been affixed to allow for carriage and storage of small coffee cups. I believe that this gun was only used in "colonial" conflicts. Is there any way of ascertaining whether such artillery pieces were used by Lawrence & Co during the Arab Revolt? Many thanks, Owain Raw-Rees

The RWF is one of the six Minden Regiments who are, I believe entitled, to wear a rose to commemmorate the victory at Minden in 1759. However the RWF do not wear a rose on Minden Day, 1st August, as the RWF badge has a rose at the bottom centre hence the Minden Rose is worn every day of the year or at least was until the RWF merged with the RRW and became the Royal Welsh Regiment. Owain Raw-Rees

Sorry, I should have identifed these - all YAR, as follows: Order of Merit, Order of Seventy Order of Honour, Order of Duty, Order of Heroism 25th, and 20th Anniversary of 1962 Revolution, Order of Service Confusingly these appear to have all been reversed as the order of precedence would be more correctly right to left. I have a draft on the PDRY complete (some 30 pages without illustrations) and just about ready for JOMSA. The YAR and RoY are work under progress - frustrating to say the least. JOMSA have already published an article on the early awards 1964-7. Owain

Whilst the medals are being sold through Lebanon I believe they came from Sana'a in these formats and the supplier in Yemen has mounted a number of commemorative medallions onto military medal ribbons and inded some of the ribbons are on the incorrect medals. Regards, Owain