Thanks Russel, i am on the WA Forun e-stand about every hour during the day ( i work online for my job) & when they have come up for sale there they seem to sell within minutes! I have just looked at Bill's (great guy) but i have never contemplated paying that for a cased EKI in that condition, it would have to be realy minty, no offence to Bill, that is the going price it sems on dealer websites. Thanks, Ant.