Komtur

... it is a Johanniter ...

Thanks Rick and Daniel for the good news The same person, "the granddaughter" of Schoeler, gave the following to the auction (and nothing more): the above shown bar, a pour le m?rite, a star REO 2nd class with Oakleaves and swords, a box of a Princely Hohenzollern Honorary Commanders Cross with swords, a Bavarian Military Merit Order 2nd class with swords, a W?rttemberg Frederick Commader with star and swords, and two EK1 WW1 that fits to the information of Daniel , please tell me, what is your source ? with regards, Komtur.

it would be nice, if I could get a copy

Hi David, I?m afraid it?s not really helpful, but I got this foto with the bar. If the bar is from Roderich von Schoeler it could be dad August with young Roderich ?

Thanks Paul! Means "SMK" the "Sachsen-Meiningen Ehrenzeichen f?r Verdienst im Kriege" ? Where is that confirmed? The China medal NK not listed in his DOA entry is odd. But as he was 1899-1905 in the Kriegsministerium it is a possible award to him. Stammliste des 2. Garde-Regiments zu Fu?:

Generalleutnant Roderich Felix August von Schoeler (1862-1935) 02.08.14-30.04.16 Generalintendant des Feldheeres bei der OHL 01.05.16-03.10.16 Kommandeur der 20.Infanteriedivision 03.10.16-12.12.16 stv. preu?ischer Kriegsminister 12.12.16-11.05.17 Kommandeur der 11.Infanteriedivision 11.05.17-11.11.18 Kom. General des VIII.Armeekorps 30.6.1918 PLM Rangliste 1887 Seconde-Lieutnant v. Sch?ler, 4. Garde-Regiment zu Fu?, kommandiert zur Dienstleistung zur Gewehr- und Munitions-Fabrik in Spandau Rangliste 1904 Major v. Sch?ler, Versorgungs- und Justiz-Departement, 2. Versorgungsabteilung, RAO 4. Klasse, KO 3. Klasse Ordensalmanach 1908/9 Oberstleutnant, Kommandeur des Landwehrbezirks III, Berlin W., Eisenacherstr. 113, geboren Trier 3.8.1862, Mecklenburg Greifenorden Ehrenkreuz, Preu?en RAO 4. Klasse, KO 3. Klasse, Dienstauszeichnungskreuz, Zentenarmedaille. Rangliste 6.5.1913 Generalmajor, Kommandeur 1. Garde-Infanterie-Brigade, RAO 3. Klasse mit Schleife, KO 2. Klasse, Johanniterorden Ehrenritter, Dienstauszeichnungskreuz, F?rstlich Hohenzollernsches Ehrenkomturkreuz Ehrenrangliste 1914 (1926) 1914 Generalmajor, Direktor des Armee-Verwaltungs-Departements und stellvertretender Bevollm?chtigter zum Bundesrat des deutschen Reiches. Im Kriege zuletzt F?hrer des VIII. Armeekorps, Generalleutnant a.D. Geile Ordensverleihungen im Milit?r-Wochenblatt RAO 2. Klasse mit Schwertern und Eichenlaub am 10.2. 1916 an Generalmajor von Sch?ler Kommandeur Gruppenkommando 2 der Reichswehr 7.8.1919-30.9.1920 General der Infanterie Roderich von Schoeler

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I got this bar a year ago. The auctioneer told me after the auction it belongs to Generalleutnant Roderich von Schoeler (he said it was given to him by the granddaughter of Schoeler). I?m always suspicious to such oral information, especially when there is no possibility to contact the informant. I?ve got a lot of details about his career and his decorations before 1914 (e.g. by ranklists, Stammliste des 2. Garde-Regiments zu Fu?, an article about Schoeler in "Die Ritter des Ordens pour le m?rite" by M?ller-Witten"). The single decorations of the bar are: Eisernes Kreuz, 2. Klasse 1914 (OEK 1909) Offiziersdienstauszeichnung f?r 25 Jahre (OEK 1970/1) Chinadenkm?nze f?r Nichtkombattanten Silber (OEK 3151) Zentenarmedaille (1965/1) Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Kriegsverdienstkreuz 2. Klasse 1914 (OEK 1352) Braunschweig, Kriegsverdienstkreuz 2. Klasse 1914 (OEK 634) Sachsen-Meiningen, Ehrenzeichen f?r Verdienst im Kriege (OEK 2717) Schaumburg-Lippe, Kreuz f?r treue Dienste 1914 (OEK 1256) Lippe-Detmold, Kriegsverdienstkreuz 1914 (OEK 1190) Bremen, Hanseatenkreuz (OEK 651) L?beck, Hanseatenkreuz (OEK 1265) T?rkei, goldene Liakatmedaille mit Schwertern 1.) Is there evidence by any roll of these decorations, that Schoeler got them? 2.) Wich other orders he got in WWI (except the pour le m?rite and the 2.class of the REO with swords and oak leaf documented in the "Milit?r-Wochenblatt" by Geile) 3.) Can someone show a better pic of Schoeler (especially with his bar ) Greetings, Komtur.

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Thank you Glenn for the heroic work of copying the "Stammliste der KWA" As a little gift for you the former owner of your book (see page 1 "aus dem Nachla? von O.G.A. Dr. Gro?heim"):

... (part 1), the same source as mentioned above (Schickert)

... and some more information about Grimm (part 1)

Here you are: Schickert 1895, "Die Milit?r?rztlichen Bildungsanstalten von ihrer Gr?ndung bis zur Gegenwart" Verlag Mittler&Sohn; The original is hard to find (I have one ), but there is a reprint of 1986 you can get easy e.g. on Abebooks.de. Greetings, Komtur.

And a pure Prussian bar of a poor Prussian (or as they told to be only thrifty)

That?s a Godet Logo on a case of a medal bar. The bar is after 1917.

the whole bar

the back (with the original matt surface)

Can?t help with pics of the above mentioned copies, but as some experienced collectors told me, this is an original of the time: the front (later newly varnished)

Yes, I?m really glad with it. It is quite similar to the one you catched before my nose on the last Thies-auction

some more details

some details

the back

The auction is over, and the pure Prussian is back home again. Unfortunately I havn?t got a clue of the Standard Operating Procedure So I need your help great masters of the rolls . I?m happy with this bar, but I?ll be more happy with a name to it. If someone want to send me to haeven, please find out, he was someone of the imperial medical service With regards, Komtur.

I?ve sended Weddigens sub filled up with dimes (Sorry, wait a moment for a pm)

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