Ralph

Yes - the values of an un-attributed Civil/Military MBE are the same - basically the only difference is the ribbon. Tppe one in "Gold"(Gilt) is the OBE The value is perhaps ?10 more than an MBE Ralph

The Oak Leaf emblem denoting Gallantry was introduced in 1957 and not made retrospective. Hallmarking of MBEs stooped in 1937 with the introduction of the 2nd type (King/Queens Bust instead of Britannia). All you can really say is that ,if on a 2nd type MBE it was awarded after 1957. With no provenance the value is limited to the price of an MBE - ?80-95 and the cost of the Oak Leaf. If a proven recipient with confirmatory documentation then anything in the ?800- ?1100 range depending on Civil or Military award. Ralph

DA Indicates a Deck Hand enlistment in the Trawler Section of the RNR. DH is his rate - Deck Hand. RNR is Royal Nabal Reserve. RNR records are available on microfiche at the NA but unfortunately not on line. Ralph

Hi Owain, Unfortunately naming does not mean that it is gazetted - Honorary Awards were not Gazetted but were named. The Registrar of the Order at the Central Chancerymay give you his award date, even if not gazetted In case you are unaware there should be a recommendation for the award to Mishin in WO373/164 and to Saidi in WO373/169 both in the National Archives, Kew. Regards Ralph

LG 08 Nov 1915 in the Grade of Grand Officier Ralph

Qualification for the Burma Star was OPERATIONAL service in the Burma Campaign Army Burma from 11.12.41 Bengal and Assam 1.5.42 to 31,12.43 Bengal or Assam (east of Brahmaputra) 1.11.43 Malaya 1.11.43 Sumatra 1.11.43 Air Foce Air Crew Service in Operations against the enemy will qualify Non Aircrwew entry into the prescribed area of land operations will qualify Ralph

The basic problem lies in the fact that there is no indication from which Regiment/Corps he was commsioned. Quite a few members of the RA were commissioned into the Corps which makes it difficult to pin down any individual. The IGS 1937 was a relatively scarce award to the RAOC, they had 83 MMs awarded in WW1 and not that many clasps to the 1914 Star. If it was confirmed that he was, in fact in the RAOC as an other rank (must have been an O/R due to the LS medal) then there could be a reasonable chance of narrowing him down. Ralph

The Collar Badges are Post 1947 pre 1954. Ralph

All three Officers mentioned as killed 06.09.1917 in the Website mentioned were recipients of the MMJO Dr. Rudolf, Ritter von Kardel MMJO 25.5.1915 Hugo Ritter von Kraemer MMJO 27.8.15 Balduin von WInkler MMJO 28.8.14