Dave Danner

I will see what I can find. If there are photos, I'll have to make a photocopy there and then scan it at home, since it is not a lending library, so the quality might not be the best. By the way, I made a copy today of Die Ritter des Eisernen Kreuzes in alphabetischer Reihenfolge, Band 1, published some time in 1915, which has all EK1s and EK2s up to that date. Unfortunately, they only had Band 1, so it has all the EK1s but only EK2s through the letter K.

While reading the history of FAR 14, I came across an interesting little factoid. On 22 December 1917, it was announced that the Grand Duke had awarded the Silver Merit Medal on the Ribbon of the MKFVO to all Baden soldiers (Mannschaften in the book, so I don't know if it applied to NCOs as well) who had served in the field since the beginning of the war. Apparently, the Grand Duke deemed surviving over three years in the trenches to be a meritorious feat on its own.

Rick said what I was going to say - that this is the crispest strike of a wartime Verdienstmedaillen that I've seen.

Geschichte des Feldartillerie-Regiments von Peucker (1. Schles.) Nr. 6, 1914-1918; bearbeitet vom Offizier- und Kameradenverein des ehem. Feldartillerie-Regiments von Peucker (1. Schles.) Nr. 6., Breslau, Ostdeutsche Verlagsanstalt, 1932. I can get the FAR 6 history tomorrow when I go to the library. Die Geschichte des K. B. 6. Feldartillerie-Regiments, Prinz Ferdinand von Bourbon, Herzog von Calabrien; nach den amtlichen Kriegstageb?chern und privaten Aufzeichnungen der Kameraden., Zeulenroda, Th?ringen, B. Sporn, 1931. It has been digitized in the Google Books project, but isn't downloadable or readable online. But I think I can order an electronic copy of it from the source.

6th Bavarian or Prussian?

Most are NYPL, and I'm on my way there now. The NYPL website has information about their copy service and ordering copies of parts of documents, but the price can be expensive and you generally need to know already what pages. I believe the website might help you to arrange for ordering in advance from the offsite storage site, in which case the books could be waiting when you get to New York. There are a fair amount of good items on microfilm and in local storage too, though. If you do it yourself, photocopying is 15 cents a page. I managed to copy all the descriptions of MMJO actions from Bayerns Goldenes Ehrenbuch last week. I only wish I had had the time to get all the Gold and Silver Bravery Medal descriptions.

I should be able to look at the 1817 Rang- und Quartier-Liste by Thursday. On a few days' notice, I can probably get any of the following: Ranglisten der k?niglich preussischen Armee - 1804, 1808, 1812, 1817-1914Ranglisten des deutschen Reichsheeres - 1923-31Ranglisten der deutschen Kriegsmarine/Reichsmarine - 1874-1901, 1904, 1905, 1907-12, 1914-16, 1926, 1929-32, 1935-38Ranglisten von Beamten der Kaiserlich deutschen Marine - 1901-10Ranglisten der K?niglich S?chsischen Armee - 1840-1914Milit?r-Handbuch des K?nigreichs Bayern - 1831, 1840, 1855, 1864, 1869, 1873, 1875, 1876, 1879, 1883, 1885, 1887, 1889, 1891, 1893, 1895, 1897, 1909, 1911, 1914Verordnungs-blatt des K?niglich bayerischen Kriegsministeriums, 1856-1872, 1874-1878, 1880-1884, 1886-1907,1909-1920Schematismus der Oesterreichisch-Kaiserlichen Arm?e - 1790, 1801-4, 1807, 1809, 1811Milit?r-Schematismus des ?sterreichischen Kaiserthums - 1815-19, 1822-33, 1835-48, 1850-58, 1860/1861, 1861/1862, 1863, 1865-68 Kais. k?nigl. Milit?r-Schematismus - 1869/1870-1889Schematismus f?r das kaiserliche und k?nigliche Heer und f?r die kaiserliche und k?nigliche Kriegsmarine - 1890-1914Schematismus f?r das ?sterreichische Bundesheer und die Bundesheeresverwaltung - 1931, 1933, 1936Ruhestands-Schematismus der ?sterreichisch-ungarischen Armee - 1913Schematismus der K. K. Landwehr und der K. K. Gendarmerie der im Reichsrathe vertretenen K?nigreiche und L?nder - 1879, 1881-1889, 1891-1914Ranglisten der K. K. Landwehr und der K. K. Gendarmerie - 1914, 1916-1918Let me know if you need anything specific.

I have added some additional background on the states and their associated units to the Lippe pages here: http://home.att.net/~david.danner/militari...ppe-detmold.htm http://home.att.net/~david.danner/militaria/schaumburg.htm

Also note that if you were in a regiment whose honorary Chef was the Austrian Emperor, you were far more likely to get the MVK. For example, in the Bavarian 13. Infanterie-Regiment Franz Joseph I, among the prewar officers of the regiment in the 1914 Bavarian ranklist, at least 32 of 56 received the MVK. Among those who did not receive it were 10 who were killed in the first few months of the war.

Ignore my last posts. According to the Stammliste der K?niglich preussischen Armee seit dem 16ten Jahrhundert bis 1840, the 5. Kurm?rkisches Landwehrregiment was redesignated the 24stes Landwehr-Regiment. The only M?llers I see in that regiment are a Sekondelieutenant of cavalry in 1stes Bat. (Ruppinsches) and the Bataillons-Arzt of 3tes Bat. (Havelbergsches).

Now this might not be the same guy. By 1823 he might have left the service or gone to another regiment. Unfortunately, there are no indexes to names, so I can't look for other M?llers.

Here is the rather crappy scan:

In the Rang- und Quartier-Liste der K?niglich Preu?ischen Armee f?r das Jahr 1823, there is a Sekondelieutenant M?ller listed in the infantry officers of the 3tes Bat. (Marienburgisches) of the 5tes Landwehr-Regiment. No dates of rank are given, but he is the senior Sekondelieutenant. No decorations are listed. He is in the same position in the 1824 Prussian Army ranklist.

Here's an example of the ribbon, as Rick describes pale blue with red stripes:

Based on this photo, from another awards ceremony for Ukrainian and Lithuanian troops, there is an accompanying certificate. Larger, uncropped image here: http://foto.mw.mil.pl/foto.php?vhost=mndcs&id_lg=2906

Further on this medal, here is a picture from a medal presentation ceremony to Slovak and El Salvadoran troops of the MND-CS: Large image here: http://foto.mw.mil.pl/foto.php?vhost=mndcs&id_lg=2957

Some more extracts from Staatshandb?cher. From the 1906 and 1908 W?rttemberg Staatshandb?cher, the Orders Statutes for W?rttemberg's decorations. I included the 1906 because one of the pages in the 1908 version is difficult to read. http://home.att.net/~ordersandmedals3/Ausz...emberg_1906.pdf - 7 pages, 609 kB http://home.att.net/~ordersandmedals3/Ausz...emberg_1908.pdf - 7 pages, 494 kB Below are the sections of the 1902, 1905, 1906 and 1908 W?rttemberg Staatshandb?cher regarding the kingdom's military department. They cover the Kriegsministerium and various agencies, as well as the XIII. Armeekorps. The 1908 one also includes the military adjutants to the royal court. http://home.att.net/~ordersandmedals3/Wuertt_SHB_1902.pdf - 30 pages, 1.26 mBhttp://home.att.net/~ordersandmedals3/Wuertt_SHB_1905.pdf - 30 pages, 1.24 mBhttp://home.att.net/~ordersandmedals3/Wuertt_SHB_1906.pdf - 30 pages, 1.25 mBhttp://home.att.net/~ordersandmedals3/Wuertt_SHB_1908.pdf - 33 pages, 1.73 mB

RIR 233 was raised in Thuringia. The regimental staff, I. Bataillon, and II. Bataillon were raised in Meiningen by the Ersatz-Bataillon of IR 32 and the III. Bataillon was raised in Gotha by the Ersatz-Bataillon of IR 95. These Ersatz units were those of the regiments of Sachsen-Meiningen and Sachsen-Coburg-Gotha, but Chris can possibly tell you from the documents if they recruited in a broader swath of the region. RIR 235 was raised in Koblenz and Bonn. RIR 236 in K?ln-Deutz. These was in the VIII. Korps area.

I provided a response with the cite to the General Order on the OMSA thread. I'm not sure how one would go about actually getting the G.O. though. http://www.omsa.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1766

Feel free to use the image of my medal. Regards, Dave

It doesn't say Turkey. The first letter does appear to be a "t" but the second letter is an "l". The third appears to be an "f", but in this script it is hard to tell an "f" (ﻔ) from the letter which in Arabic is Daad (ﻀ‎) and is either a "d" or "z" in Turkish. Next is a "y" or long "i" (ﻴ). The curl at the end is either the tail of a final "y" (ﻰ) or an "r" (ﺮ) connected to the "i". It could be Tal Afar, the town in northern Iraq which was an Ottoman garrison town. In modern Turkish, the city is called Telafer. I can't find an Ottoman gazeteer to see how the town was spelled on Ottoman maps, though.

Try this: http://www.mnd.gov.tw/Publish.aspx?cnid=302 Click on the individual pages in the list. The first section, headed 勳章, has pages for orders. The second section, headed 獎章, covers medals. The third section, headed 附錄 ("appendix") links to statutes and regulations.

Here is an excerpt with the Olga Order section of the the orders statutes of the Kingdom of W?rttemberg:

I have uploaded a PDF with the orders lists from the 1879 edition of the Hof- and Staatshandbuch des Gro?herzogtums Hessen. The document is 4.5 megabytes in size and 192 pages in length. At a rough guess, I'd say there are about 5,000 names. Included are: I. Ludewigs-Orden II. Goldener L?wen-Orden III. Verdienst-Orden Philipps des Gro?m?thigen IV. Milit?r-Verdienst-Kreuz 1870/71 V. Milit?r-Sanit?ts-Kreuz 1870/71 VI. Verdienst-Medaille f?r Wissenschaft, Kunst, Industrie und Landwirthschaft VII. Allgemeines Ehrenzeichen, broken down into the following inscriptions: - 1) "F?r Verdienste" - 2) "F?r Tapferkeit" - 3) "F?r 50j?hrige treue Dienste" - 4) "F?r langj?hrige treue Dienste" - 5) "F?r treue Dienste" - 6) "F?r Rettung von Menschenleben" - 7) "F?r Rettung aus Lebensgefahr" There is also a Nachtrag with several pages of additional awards, deletions (due to death) and corrections through November 20, 1879. Obviously, this isn't a complete list for your earlier awards, as it lacks those who'd already died, but it should be a good start. One thing to note. The Allgemeines Ehrenzeichen "F?r Tapferkeit" was in World War I Hesse's main valor award. In this list, there are only 12 awards of the Allgemeines Ehrenzeichen "F?r Tapferkeit" to Hessians (all in 1866) and another 50 to non-Hessians, 36 to Austrians for the 1859 Franco-Austrian War/Austro-Sardinian War and 4 to Prussians and 10 to Bavarians for the 1870-71 Franco-Prussian War. For the Franco-Prussian War, Hesse's Milit?r-Verdienst-Kreuz was the decoration of choice: there were several hundred awards to Hessians and non-Hessians from private to general. It was in effect the Iron Cross equivalent in that war. I wonder why Ernst Ludwig did not revive this cross in World War I? The link is here.

Wilhelm II Deutscher Kaiser was also King of Prussia, though he didn't usually go by that title by itself. There was another King Wilhelm II, though. Wilhelm II, King of W?rttemberg from 1891 to 1918. Not that this has any real relevance to the bizarre little exercise in salesmanship above.