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The blacklighting must be postponed because I do not have access to the medal bar at the moment. It is in a safe place far away from my home... to many jerks walking around

Ok, thanks Daniel for your advice. I will wait. Research gnomes will hopefully solve the problem.

Thx to all to solve the case. Yeah, so do you have any idea what to do with such fake medal bars? Cut them into pieces and sell the awards as single pieces? F?!K. Winkler as well as Galerie Numismatique are shops which should be on some red list. Detlef

Someone told me once the name Julius Terberger, but I could not find him? Could this guy be real and therefore also the medal bar? Best regards Detlef

Hello collector-friends, it has been a while since I posted a nice medal bar. Actually nothing new what I could purchase for my imperial collection. But, a medal bar which is still without a name. Here it is: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/53497-medal-bar-frackspange-with-finnish-liberty-cross-1918/?hl=%2Bfinnish+%2Bliberty+%2Bcross Maybe the Schaumburg Lippe medal is a key to the former owner...what do you think research gnomes? Nice week-end Detlef

hi guys i am just in finland. as far as i remember the name is warnat or warwat. more when i am back from suomi

Hi, here is another pic of Louis Leisler Kiep. Colored and with all (?) his awards...look at the great miniatyre bar + the Order of Liberty. Wow

hello, sth new about a possible owner? or is this medal bar just another hidden historic relict? detlef

maybe at some estonian auction house.

hello gents, unfortunately, till now nothing new concerning this medal bar. anyhow, it is a nice one to me and my son. regards and happy "father's day". detlef

Hello Mr. Tiainen, have you been successful with first research results according to the owner of the medal bar? Yous sincerely Detlef

What a pity...maybe someone in this forum catched no. 47 and is willing to sell it due to other collectibles. Regards Detlef

Hi. amazing collection. sold out? Is medal bar no. 47 still available? Regards detlef

Hello Mr. Tiainen, that is very kind of you. Hopefully we can manage to identify this brave soldier. Sincerely Detlef

Hello Mr. Tiainen, yes, I will soon have it in my collection. Would you like to help me? I guess it would be worth it to invest some time in it... Yours Sincerely Detlef

Do you think it is a fantasy medal bar? Or is it possible to identify the soldier? Detlef

Hi guys, enclosed pls find the reverse of the medal bar. What are your opinions, gentlemen? Regards Detlef

Hi guys, pls look at this medal bar. It is a very strange one: No Hindenburg cross, Finnish medal in the middle of the bar with wrong ribbon... What do you think? Regards Detlef

Thanks for the information Andreas. Lucky new owner...seems really to be a unique group with high historical value. Detlef

Personally, I do not think that the document is a fake. This auction article is not that popular in Germany to just fake it with a fantasy name. Who has access to the Bundesarchiv of the Ostsee-Division. Maybe there can be found sth? Or very near for an explanation could be that Größle was not in the Jäger Batallion 14, but in another one...how much written mistakes can exist in such turbulent times?

OK Christer. MAYBE: Grössle could have been a doctor / surgeon or he worked in a kind of headquarters... A lot of Finnish bars do have Liberty crosses w/o swords besides Liberty crosses w swords...so it could have been possible...

Here is the link: http://www.ebay.de/itm/330752901926?_trksid=p5197.c0.m619 Paperwork looks pretty good - I have some of these award documents and they all look the same good or not good. I do not believe the paperwork is fake...but strange that no one knows Leutnant Hermann Grössle :unsure:

Hallo Andreas. Danke. I do know that Pete made a list of soldiers who faught in Finland 1918. I could not find the name "Hermann Grössle" or "Hermann Größle" in that list. Is someone out there familiar with this name? Is he mentioned in rank lists? Is the name documented in military reports? In the document it is mentioned that the guy got a Liberty Cross No. 3 - that is ok. The cross on the bar is also a third class Liberty cross - but just for civilians - could it be, that the two crosses have been mixed up? Also the ribbon bar of the Liberty cross is wrong - it should not be red-white, but yellow-white...we all now that the Liberty crosses have been manufactured either in Germany or Sweden...could it be that the cross was just mixed up by the producer himself? Wrong cross and even wrong ribbon... But if it is the real cross on the real bar with the real document...it should be a unique group. Detlef

Hello fellows, this weird medal bar came across my eyes...as fas as I am concerned the Finnish Liberty Cross does not fit to the medal bar of a soldier who got the Hindenburg cross. The Finnish Liberty cross is a civilian one but is fixed to a military bar. Am I right? Or are there other opinions? Cheers Detlef