Ed_Haynes

Thanks, Sergei. As far as I can follow this it is very helpful.

Thanks, Kevin! I was about to do the same thing and you beat me to it.

Nice. Have seen obllique reference to this before. What documentation do we have regarding this one?? Do you know the Arabic name (transliterated)?

Can we have a detailed scan of the medal?

Not sure a better scan wouldn't be needed to make a scan on this "threshold" item?

I await Charles' question. While I have a question in mind, for whenever I win, and bearing in mind how almost-quiz-breaking my last one was, I'd like to see Charles have his "go" . . . we can wait for his.

We are still way -- and distractingly --

But a simple

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3144&st=1902

will take you where you need to be. But we STILL have 96 pages and, now, 1904 posts.

Back to the quiz, please????

Nice thread and some absolutely LOVELY early RS :envy:.

Almost all I have are in groups.

Belykh - http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=4150

Dubrovin - http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3222

Guzov - http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=10742

Kravchenko - http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=6207

Kulishenko - http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=20951

Lutsyuk - http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=20957

Pokusov - http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=22064

Prokhvatilov - http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3938

Reznikov - http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=19797

Slipchenko - http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=7231

Sup'yan - http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3728

And some late singles:

Kubasov (Afghanistan) - http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=12356

Malinovsky (Afghanistan) - http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=19274

Mokrushin (Czechoslovakia) - http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=2669&st=106 etc.

Mosin (boring long-service) - http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=13653

Vavenko (Afghanistan) - http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=10376

For better or worse, I am more interested in the history than in the things (numismatically).

Charles had had a good one ready already, and I'll love to see him pull that one back out of the box.

Someone (FJP?) had one for sale recently.

There was a nice illustration that I cannot locate now.

I received this medal and untranslated research from the previous custodian with only a very brief precis of the recommendation. While the previous custodian is not a native speaker of Russian, he has good professional skills in the language and has co-authored one well-known book and independently authored another book on Soviet awards. He is a member of this forum, but rarely posts here, preferring another venue.

In the interim, I showed the citation to a colleague in my department whose professional specialization is in Russian history and he gave a very brief (he was on the way to class) look through and confirmed in broad terms what the summary had said. He observed that the vocabulary used seemed to him odd, not clinical, but more vernacular, almost "street".

I then posted this medal and recommendation on this forum to both share what I thought was an interesting new award and get some guidance. Unfortunately, the discussion of this award rather quickly boiled down to a squabble between the native speakers of Russian and the non-native speakers. In frustration, I posted the difficult parts of this and the other problematic recommendation on another forum and the response was, to be frank, even less satisfactory. But I rather expected that. It reminded me why I have always preferred this community.

Finally, the previous custodian got around to providing the promised translations that I have given above.

To be quite honest, the directions this and some other recent discussions have gone are making me less and less interested in posting any items here. If everything is to boil down to a native speaker/non native speaker dispute, degenerating quickly into an implicit "foreigners can't understand this stuff and shouldn't even try, just leave it all to (and for) the Russians" debate, then the joys of posting and sharing in a "gentleman's" forum diminish. What I seek is helpful and interested e-friends who have enough linguisitc skill in both Russian and English to be able to comment in a useful and helpful and "gentlemanly" way. I do not see phaleristics as, in any way, a competitive sport. And, yes, I know that many do and that they tend to be concentrrated in certain sub-fields.

And once we get into the "well, I [sniff and shake of the head] think this is fake" territory, I start looking around for off-forum professional translation services and for the exit . . . .

Nice set!

I still seek the Mongolian and PDRA parachute badges . . .

Nice early one, Christian

Oh, yes . . . .

It would be nice to have enough of these lovelies that you'd get confused as to which one you'd posted

For uploading ALL the images of our quiz, you might have to wait for at least one hour .

And what is the wait-time for those on slow dial-up connections????

Just raising a question, and a concern I have seen expressed on other sites. No desire to start a fight.

Dear "slava1stclass",

please, could you explain the meaning of "now that's the ticket" (many of us are no native speakers of English ) ?

Or, maybe, that he's (she's) not a "gentleman"??

Ask Nick if this will cause us problems. I know it does on other fora I am (or used to be) involved with.

Though just a thought . . . .

We must be stretching the servers . . . ???

All the images have to load, I think. Ponder THAT?!?!?!?

I would have made the ribbon a AF blue with white stripes, not red and gold. It's kinda hard on the eyes

Interestingly, the ribbon is based on the colors used by Billy Mitchell for his own WWI aircraft insignia (and the first Air Corps patches). (Per the lecture at the '07 OMSA by the head of the DoD department that designed it.) We may not like it, but there is a conscious link back to history. And, for that, I give them points, many points, maybe enough points.

Some design aspects may irritate those with a five-year jingoistic historical perspective, but . . . ???

I don't like it, much, but like it better, knowing all this, I think? It grows on me, I think.

(Though the ribbon is tacky-synthetic-nasty, but how else to make it these days?! And the stripes are more gold-yellow than the metallic gold they appear to be.)

And . . . . . . . .

A "gentleman" is not cruel.

A serious question: Will there come a time when -- accounting for those on slower internet connections -- we need to split this thread off into a "Volume II"? Maybe that is a reason that quiz participation has declined???

To all:

You never know...

Regards,

slava1stclass

Do you hint at something, "slava"??????????

To tease us thus and then withhold information would be most, er, um, well, "ungentlemanly"?

Have received better translations:

1. Award card

Order booklet 113472

1. Last name: Verozubov

2. Name and Patrionymic: Aleksei Yakovlevich

3. Rank: Private

4. Sex: Male

5. Birthyear: 1906

6. Birthplace: Alma-Alta Oblast, Sarkanskii Region

7. Party Membership: n/a

8. Education: elementary

9. Nationality: Russian

10. Service in the Red Army: 7.1942-11.1945

11. Place of service and duty position at time of awarding: 206 Independent Artillery-Machinegun Battalion, 52 Army; Line Supervisor

12. Place of service and duty position at the current time: Uzbek SSR, Tashkent Oblast, Angren, Road Master

13. Home of Record: Angren, School St. #14

14. Awards

Award Serial Number Awarder

Patriotic War II 803.579 Edict dated 6.11.47

Verified 20 March 1948

2. Award Citation

Award Sheet

1. Rank, last name, name, and patrionymic: Guards Private Aleksei Yakovlevich Verozubov

2. Duty at Present:

3. Commissariat on File, Place of Work and Duty Position: Akhan-Garanskii Regional Military Commissariat, Tashkent Oblast, Chief of Military Records, Angren

4. Birthyear: 1906

5. Nationality: Russian

6. Party Membership: n/a

7. Participation in Patriotic War: 20.8.42 through 7.12.45 on the Volkhov Front, 206 MG-Artillery Battalion, Line Manager

8. Wounds: One Light, One Serious

9. In Red Army: 1942-1945

10. Earlier Awards: Medal ?For the Defense of Leningrad? and ?Victory over Germany?

11. Home of record: Uzbek SSR, Tashkent Oblast, Akhan-Garansk. Region, Angren, School Street #14

Submission for Order of the Patriotic War II Class

Guards Private Aleksei Yakovlevich Verozubob was a participant of the Patriotic War from 20.8.42 through 7.12.45 on the Volkhov Front as part of the 206 Independent Machinegun-Artillery Battalion, 53 Army as a Line Manager-Communications Soldier.

While defending the village of Gruzin (Kirishskii Region, Leningrad Oblast) he was seriously wounded by a bullet in the left buttocks. As a result of his wound, his testicles were amputated on the basis of a report from Evacuation Hospital #1148 dated 13.3.43.

At the present he works as the Chief of Military Records in Angren and his work receives positive reviews.

I am recommending Guards Private Aleksei Yakovlevich Verozubov for the Order of the Patriotic War II Class for his active participation in the Patriotic War and subsequent wounding.

Signed Regional Military Commissariat Representative Senior Lieutenant Proskuryakov on 21 September 1946

Recommended downgrade to Order of the Red Star by Oblast Commissariat Lieutenant Colonel Rakhimov on 28 November 1946

Recommended upgrade to Order of the Patriotic War I Class by Commander of Forces, Turkestan Military District General of the Army Ivan Petrov on 31 March 1947

Awarded the Order of the Patriotic War II Class by Edict dated 6.11.47

The thing:

See, for example:

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=10182&st=11

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=1018...#092;&st=24

You have to win one before you can ask one, Charles, sorry. Answer Christian's question, and this will be a nice one.