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Ah yes, correct observation. I now distinguish between BT5 and BT4, the book says "Bulgar. Tapferk. Medaille" and "Bulgar. Tapferk. Orden", respectively. Probably BT4b. Not sure about TM, maybe.

After another member recently discovered a copy of a book on Crew 1906, I have found the book of Crew 1914, published in Hamburg in 1926. It is very interesting: it has one page for each crew member, with picture and extensive biographical information, like father's occupation and so on, but most interesting - a complete listing of all awards, including foreign, and even Freikorps. I will post some scans soon. But first, I have collected the awards here. This list refers to the 1918 Navy ranklist, Leutnants zur See, p. 73ff. Crew 1914 starts with Seiwert. Given here are all awards that are not listed in the 1918 ranklist (I leave out Fliegerabz., U-Bootabz., Wound Badges). All names not listed did not get anything additional: p. 73: Löhner EK1, HH Stark, Hans EK1 Cramer, Hugo EK1 Wesemann BremH Schönberg TH Starke, Rudolf MMV, BT5 Meendsen-Bohlken EK1 Etzdorf, Hans EK1, BT4 (KIA 1918) Langen EK1, HH p. 74: Stolzmann, Walter EK1 Wolffhügel BMVO4 (KIA 1918) Hencke EK1, BMVO4 v. Borries, Wilhelm EK1, BrK Girke EK1 Schüz, Otto WF3b, HH (KIA 1919) Lambrecht EK1, HH Bender, Roderich EK1, ÖTM Lodemann HH (KIA 1918) Hoechst EK1, OFA1 Niemann EK1, MMV Deckert RM, TH, TL Delfs EK1 Freudenberg EK1, OFA1 Schniewind, Paul EK1 v. Borries, Edgar LüH v. Kutzleben OFA2 Dietel GSF3b Drekmann, Hermann HH Steinkopff EK1 Keßler EK1, LüH Rieve, Odo EK2 Siebold EK1 Rolshoven LüH (KIA 1918) p. 75: Ruge EK1 Klamroth, Viktor EK2 Staelin HH Mann, Hans EK1, HH Boldt EK1 Osann EK1 v. Salis-Soglio EK1 Achilles EK1 Weygold EK1 Schünemann EK1 Trube EK1, OFA2 Schulze, Bruno EK1 Meister, Bruno LüH Leichtenstern EK1, BMVO4 Schultze, Reinhold EK1 Stitzinger BMVO4 Osterndorff EK1 Schmitz, Kurt EK1, TH, TL, TM, TRM Hagemann, Kurt EK1 (died 1926) Gumprich WF3b Fremerey EK1, HH Peters, Heinz BrK Schoppen EK1 Leithäuser EK1 Kreisch EK1 p. 76: Roediger HH Henning EK1, SA3b, WF3b v. Recum EK1 Gutjahr, Otto EK1 Osterloh EK1 v. Friedeburg EK1, BZ3b Böhme SA3b, TH, TL, TM Wagner, Lothar TH, TL, BT5 Schnoeckel EK1, HH Brauns EK1 Heye, Helmuth EK1 Maas TH (KIA 1918) Bär TH Weiß, Siegfried EK1 Freymadl BT5, TL, TH Stöllting HH Herrmann, Wolfgang SA3b (KIA 1918) Prall, Andreas EK1, HH Boerner HH, TL, TH Fabig SEK3 Topp EK1, OFA2, ÖM3K Rollmann EK1 Korn BZ3b Bauer, Franz EK1, FinnFK3 Schumann, Gotthard EK1 Meyer, Konrad EK1 Kupferberg EK1, HT, OFA2 v. Grafenstein BremH Kratzenberg EK1, OFA2 p. 77: Masberg EK1 Riensberg, Heinrich EK1 Schmitz, Franz (changed his name to Schmitz-Lenders) Jeschonnek EK1 Wahl, Heinrich EK1, HT Silex EK1, HH Mertz TL, TM, TH Rüling EK1, SA3b Seydlitz EK1, SLK Bonte EK1 Wichmann EK1, HH Schneidewind EK2 v. Wiedebach EK2 Schmall EK1, FinnFK3 Schultze, Fritz (changed his name to Schultze-Rhonhof) Bütow EK1 Zerbe BrK (changed his name to Zerbe-Holvard) Arimond TH p. 78: Eckoldt, Alfred EK1 Mechlenburg EK1 v. Suckow MMV (KIA 1918) Schwartzkopff EK1, Baltenkreuz Steidle BMVO4 Hunaeus EK1 v. Schlüter EK1 Geissler, Otto EK2 v. Kleist EK1 Rieve, Friedrich EK1 Wiarda EK1 Matthies EK1 Josephi EK1, MMV Ahrens, Günther EK1, OFA1 Behncke, Ludwig EK1, LüH Erdmann, Günther EK1, TL Reinhard, Max BMVO4, HH, LüH, FinnFK3 Köllner EK1, OFA2, HSH3b p. 79: Fricke, Hermann GSF3b Altmann TH, TL, TM Wentzel, Theodor EK1, OFA2, HH Koopmann, Werner HH v. Muschwitz TH Fellner EK1 Roeser-Bley EK2 (died 1922) Philipp EK1 Blunck EK1, OFA2, BremH Bluth TH Bode, Hermann EK1, BZ3b Flörke HH Pohl, Friedrich EK1 v. Arend HH Ritter, Wilhelm EK2 (KIA 1918) Interesting to see that some got up to 3 awards after the 1918 RL came out.

Seems to be a very old Stabszahlmeister dR. I think the bar is 1) EK2 2) KVK2 3) HT? or SH medal? 4) Schwarzburg? or either Altenburg or Schaumburg with incorrect swords? 5) SA3X or Cross 6) SEKX 7) BMVKX 8) Hindenburg 9) Treudienst 10) Hungarian Commem.X

Outstanding research... but that's business as usual here, isn't it? Hermann von Pfistermeister was director of the Heinkel-Werke in 1938.

Dr. Emil Kost got a Dr. phil. from the University of T?bingen on 18.12.1922. He went on to publish extensively about local history and archaeology.

Not zS, yes. Thanks for the pics! So these are definitely two golden eagles. And judging from the back, neither of them looks like it's been exchanged.

Picture is bad, but this is the ribbon bar that was sold, too. Here again, outfitter has used the Saxon DA ribbon. Strangely enough, the ribbon bar seems to have two golden eagles (25+ years), while the medal has silver+gold for 12-17 years. Not sure what to make of this, because he can't really have updated the DAs this way, skipping the silver+silver class.

Navy backing:

Here's another Messina medal and ribbon bar lot that has been sold recently. I thought it would be a good idea to keep a record of all Messina bars that surface:

Yes, but that is only the one published after the war, Stabsoffiziere up.

What a coincidence!

Very nice, that one, too. But these are all unpublished or at least not widely available, I think.

And I didn't know about that 1937 list either. A lot of interesting material - worth scanning, I think. Some library catalogs also list a "Dienstaltersliste S", but it has only 112 pages, so I suppose that is only from Majors up, and those are already in the published 1944 list.

Exactly, they are not indexed, which doesn't really help. I did not know the volume from Hauptleute down has been published, at least I've never seen it.

Yes, that's what makes this list much more exhaustive than the standard Navy RL. It has dates for all awards to Beamten including paymasters, Baur?te and so on down to strange folks like "Oberwerftverwaltungssekret?re".

From Hauptleute down, 699 pages.

The list does not contain the additions that are listed in the published one, like post May 1944 promotions. Also, there are no other first names than those listed in the published one. For some reason, first names are shown for all Leutnants, Oberleutnants and Hauptleute up to some point.

Glenn! Please help me!

Yes, I've got it in my paws. Well, on loan from a library at least.

A sample Leutnants page. There are 904 pages in total.

There is a published list from 1944 of WH officers from Major up. But I'm not sure - is this a generally known list: The Dienstaltersliste T ("Truppenoffiziere" aka combat officers) of ALL officers from Leutnant up (as of May 1944)?

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I thought this might be of interest to those into ecclesiastical research. These are the pages of the Beamten Rank List of the Imperial Navy 1914 listing the Pfarrer and Oberpfarrer with awards and award dates: