Daniel Krause

Thank you all!! still no first namens for the Langes from RIR 39 and 75... Best Daniel

great stuff! Its Schuermann in the list. a bit of statistic; We have already first names for about 75 percent of the guys, 59 percent birth years, 42 percent death years. Best, Daniel

thanks!!! Otto Kahlert was surprisingly never mentioned in one of the official sources, but in the Regimental History of FAR 107. Best, Daniel

Nope. Not at all. Vets of the wars of unification, active soldiers, does not matter on which kind of service. Reserve guys who were not actively serving at that time did not get it. Best, Daniel

Good stuff, thanks a lot!!! Schimpff and Nicolai - both got the Schwarzburg 3rd class with swords... No Hohenzollern as fas as we know. I've seen data from Dave's NARA-files about Schimpff, who was a Colonel in WW2, no Hohenzollern in. MAYBE the news got it wrong... Göricke got a HEK3X. Best, Daniel

Nice one! Most likely the Bavarian at the end should have swords, which are not shown here. The Bav. MVO was never awarded on the war ribbon without swords. 2 scenarions, which I see here; Reserve / Landwehr / Seewehr Officer at Major-level, with an Landwehr Long Service who did NOT serve active in 1897 to get the Centenary Or active Officer, MAjor-level as well, entered service just after 1897 and accumulated enough "time in" to get a DA XXV in 1919/1920 at the De-Mobilisation. I would bet on the 1st scenario. Best, Daniel

Here is the backside on my bar, mentioned above. From my experience, there were less bars like this in the early 1900s but far more in the middle of the 1800s. Might be a fashion thing, might be a Financial thing... who knows... Best, Daniel

This chap liked that style of bars too.

Hello, here an example: This bar has 5 hooks at the back to put all the awards on. see I have seen Officers up to General ranks with that style of bars. Not common, but not overly rare as well. Best, Daniel

Hans Karl August Ernst Wilhelm von TRESCKOW, 1863-1934 was Hauptmann der Reserve a.D. in Ersatzbataillon Jägerbataillon 7 in civil live Kriminalinspektor in Berlin RAO4, KO4, EK2, PEZsH, LD1, AB3a, MG3, OV3b, GSF3b, EH3b, SLK, VAs, CDIII3, RSt3, TO4, ToskMV3 Best, Daniel

pls delete the "swords to the BMV4Kr" - he did not get anything from Bavaria in WW1. And - Bavaria did not award "swords to something" in WW1 in general. If somebody had a peacetime class, he could get another one with swords and wear both the same time. Best Daniel

Ähhh... I would put this names in the pot: Hertell, Günther v. M Adj 14.AK, OaD IR 393 RAO4, HOH3X, HEK3aX, BZ3aX, SA3b, SLH4, ÖFJ4 1925 Hintze, Alfred H 4.IngI, M PB 14, OTLaD StOPi 158 HOH3X, HEK3aX, BZ3aX 1872 Noack, Dr.Max SA TB 3, OSA 28.ID HEK3aX, BZ3aX, BRJM 1876 Quadt-Wykradt-Hüchtenbruck, Victor Friedr.Wilh.Karl Walter Frhr. HzD LwB Stockach, M LStIB Freiburg, OTLaD RAO4, EK1, Joh, HEK3aX, BZ3aX, BMO5Kr, JK4 1870 1944 Sator, Hans OKrGerRat 14.AK RAO4, EK2, HEK3aX, BZ3aX, BLD1 1860 Schmid, Josef FPostMstr 14.AK EK2, LD2, HEK3aX, BZ3aX Werder, Gg.v. M Kdr II.LstIB Lörrach XIV/37 HEK3aX, BZ3aX Best, Daniel

Prussian Red Cross Medal 1st class - the little pinback cross. Best, Daniel

nearly everything ? HOH2aX, RKM1, BZ1X, BMV1X, BrK2, BH, HH, LüH, MMV2, OK1, SA1X, SLK, WF1X, ÖFJ1K, TM3 Best, Daniel

Yes. Always in front of any other peacetime decoration, even the Orders , but after wartime awards like the EK ans Orders with swords. Best, Daniel

Thanks a lot!!! Untucht got the Luebeck Hanseatenkreuz as Lt in 5. Landwehr-InfBrig. Geigel is Heinrich Geigl. Best, Daniel

Hmpf.... first of all, a very interesting item. If Rick could not do it, its definetly not easy. It would be interesting as well, if all Orders are Gold or are there silver gilt pieces on it. Esp.. the red bird, the Ernestinian and the centers of the Albert. Definetly no military type, pure civilian, so my crystal ball is useless, would have to check the prussian court and state handbooks around the 1890ies and early 1900 by hand. Best, Daniel

Indeed. Rautenkrone would be abbreviated SRK. Best, Daniel

MStMV2T - 2. Klasse mit der Inschrift "Für Tapferkeit" EH1X - Ernestinian, right. HOH1aX - Star of the Grand Commander HOH2aX - Star of the Commander Best, Daniel

In WW1 he's got everything ? HOH1aX, HOH2aX, HEK1X X zu, BBI1X, BMVGKX, BrK2, BH, HH, HT, MMV1, MStMV1, MStMV2T, OK1, RK, SH3, EH1X, SLK, WK1X X zu, ÖM1K Best, Daniel

we are mixing things up here. German ROYALS did wear lower classes as well as grand crosses to show their "unity" with the "mortal" people as well. Decorations of the Red Eagle with swords and with the crown were always worn together with the later awarded higher classes, as this were kind of special classes, not the normal regularly awarded "long service" gongs. On the Kings Eduards bar, I see as well a Prussian Crowen Order 3rd class on the special memorial ribbon for the wars of unification and a Austrian Marianer Cross of the Teutonic knights. Best, Daniel

Great!!! J. Fisser got the ÖM3K as Lt in IR 78. Best, Daniel

Six. And for sure they could wear both together. Best, Daniel

Swords to the RAO2 with oaks in 1916 Star with swords to the RAO2 in 1917. No KO1 as far as I know. Best, Daniel

Not in the Generals ranks. The Hohenzollern knight was the semi official pre pour le merite award up to LtCol. The higher grades of the Hohenzollern for Generals are quite exclusive. They did get Red Eagles and Crwon Orders with swords. Best, Daniel