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Hi Sascha, Indeed, our friend Wolfgang is indeed working on that topic => Cordial greetings

Hello, Oh my that is a wonderfull bar => the last medal is a rather rare one, the "Erinnerungsmedaille der goldenen hochzeit 1906". Not much good info available on that medal for sure. A bit offtopic: I have found in recent research that this very nice medal was also awarded towards belgians who where present at the anniversary (a total of 5 identifyed at this point). I am now in the stage togheter with a friend in researching more about this medal in the Landesarchiv and its awards towards belgians, etc .... so more will be known in the upcomming time but it wil take some time fore sure. Cordial greetings,

Hello, Is there anyone who does know howmuch EK's where awarded towards soldiers belonging towards units of what is known as the Baden Felddivision? I am searching after info about: * EK 2's * EK 1's Cordial greetings,

Hi Ed, Thank you very much for the advice and information. Normally price is also not quite my thing because it is very relative. This one was obtained togheter with some other goodies for approx. 15 ? earlier this year from a person who was selling porcelain, etc.... The current owner does actualy not collect british galantry awards but he did find a nice addition to have even if he tought it was a fake he obtained. Thecase was nicely made, etc.... and for that amount he did not have to suffer alot !! SO i can tell my friend thanks towards you that he has done very well Cordial greetings, :cheers:

Hello Ed, Thank you for the reply. So this is a WWI issue piece with original case? Is the MC silver and the suspension abr another type of metal? Any idea on howmuch where awarded of this type + wHat would one bring in this condition (it has a provenance towards a Second Leutenant) ? Cordial greetings,

The inside

the bow of issue

The reverse

Hello, Can anyone tell me iff the shown MC is a original one? Iff so is it a award piece or a so called second issue? Alle help and info is welcome. Cordial greetinsg + thanks for looking

Hi RIck What is that last ribbon on your ribbon bar? It does dam look very close towards the ribbon of a Belgian Crownorder => especially the ribbon of either the palms of teh Belgian croworder or one of the affiliated medals. Iff this is true then feel free to send me the supsects and i will see if he is among my list from between 1899 (first date a German did get a grade of the Freestae Coongo crownorder and 1914 untill a few days before outbreak of WWI.) Cordial greetings :rolleyes:

Hello Scot, Better pictures are indeed needed to say for sure => from the eagle, wreath, reverse, rivets, etc.... but everything does point out untill now into the direction of a C.E. Juncker product. Cordial greetings,

Hi Timmo, Sad to say, but no chance at this point of time => the rolls i will be able to do are only about Belgian orders, not from decorations such as the Military decoration, etc..... Iff the rolls would turn up, yes the chance would exist. But that is dreaming with the eyes open for this time as it is not even sure they do still exist Cordial greetings

Hello, There is certainly quite a few superb info still to be listed, here are the awards i have listed so far (100 % complete up towards a few weeks before WWI roke out) and now needs to be corrected: * Order of the crown - Great crosses : 30 - Great officers : 13 - Commanders: 52 - Officers: 88 - Knights: 118 - Gold palms : 4 - Silver palms : 1 - Gold medals : 4 - Silver medals : 4 - Bronze medals : 1 * Order of Leopold II - Great Crosses : 16 - Great officers : 15 - Commanders : 39 - Officers : 68 - knights : 51 - Gold medals : 63 - Silver medals : 51 - Bronze medals : 8 The order i will work (list i up) on now is the Belgian Leopoldorder (rendered towards Germans) => so quite a bit of work for sure And offocarse in time a book on each order will be published with all the info on the recipients, etc... etc.... Cordial greetings :cheers:

Hello, Whatever happened towards that bar is monstrous. However this one is not lost => iff someone is willing to obtain all parts (not speaking what it will cost ) it is possible to restore this one again. But that is a long shot and in the meantime we can only Cordial greetings,

Hello Navalmark, Thank you very much for showing the medalbar of Grassmann. It is a beauty, thats for sure. Could you mayby show a close up on the Leopold II Order? Werner Grassman was actually awarded his BLII (Knight) with the date of 14/08/1912. This date is the actual date the belgian king did sign the royal decree in wich Grassman amongst otehrs did receive this belgian order. The date you name is most probably the date wich appeared in the Marine Verordnungsblatt or something similar => the actual award date is 14/08/1912. Cordial greetings and thanks :cheers:

Hello, The photo dates from later then what Scott does date it. => the large NSFK glider pilots badge is the clue in this. This award was founded with date of 26.01.1942 => so this picture clearely dates from behind then, probably the earlyest April 1942 or may. As Karl Sauke was a Silver C wearer his large NSFK is a award of the exchange type (So called Bedingungsgruppe II) and the earlyest known award date is 01.05.1942. Very interesting picture non the less Cordial greetings,

Hello guys, The roll story is never ending for sure => i just wanted to say that the following roll's are also being transcribed for the future and future research: * Belgian orders rendered towards Germans From these the following orders can and will be done: 1) Order of Leopold 2) Order of the Crown 3) Order of Leopold II 4) Order of Lion 5) Order of the African star I am already working on both 2 and 3, the others are future projects So not exactly a German order ths being listed, but a listing of a certain foreign order towards Germans Cordial greetings,

Hi RIck and others Yes, when i look at the award practice of the belgian orders awarded towards German subjects the knights grade of the Order of the Leopold II was mostly awarded towards the rank of 'Leutnant' guys. I have sent you a list that should help you ID the former owner of Claudio's bar. You are also correct in that way that quite a few of these little underestimated awards are given towards both the named regiments ;-) The sent list does contain 49 names (there where yes, exactly 49 Order of Leopold II's awarded towards Germans between 1910 and 1914 and yes my list is complete (the Belgian (secret) archive is still 100 % coplete what this matter does concern !!!) Looking forward towards what you find RIcky :cheers:

Hello Ricky, I have searched and searched etc .... and can now confirm that your suspect is NOT to be found between the awardees of the Belgian Leopold II order before the outbreak of WWI So there is still a chance => in that way that he did earn this award in the so called 'Interbellum', i haven't found those lists yet however => so that is a long shot at this point. I will be of some help offocurse for you my dear friend and the famous research gnomes will send you some names to check Oh yes, on the subject => the last date a German did get a Belgian order was 15 July 1914. And as we know the German troops did attack the Neutral Luxemburg on 01 August 1914 and they did cross the Belgian border on 04 AUgust 1914. These historical data do actually mean that the awarding of Belgian orders towards its German neighbour did continue till the war broke out !!! The rest is as we know history ... Cordial greetings,

Hi Claudio, Thank you for joining in => very interesting medal & ribon bar. The Belgian order is the "order of Leopold II". Could you please make a picture of the front of that order as there does exist 2 types of these: 1) Freestate Congo issue's 2) Belgian issue's Iff it should be a Freestate COngo issue then we should find this person very fast (as only 6 knightscrosses of this grade and model where awarded towards Germans), if it is a belgian piece then we have quite a few more It is a knightscross. That order is either rendered before 1914 or in the Interbellum. I have all issue's of these towards Germans, so that one should be ID'ed when i have listed (and published) them So stay tuned + please feel free to send me a PM about it

Hello Very interesting question => and interesting observations. I think however that Belgium was for Germany considered a enemy, as the belgian army was fighting against the German army, Belgian territroy was occupyed for the most part, etc.... I think that Belgian awards where not worn anymore generaly during the war years by the Germans. I am researching the practice of the German awards towards Belgian civilians for 1914 and i can already share a very interesting observation: * German awards where rendered towards Belgian civilians in rather large quantity's (but what is a large quantity offcoarse) before 1914. (the same is also true on the otehr way arround => quiet a few Belgian orders where awarded towards Germans) * There is no trace to be found at this point that any German awards where granted to be worn anymore in 1914 (altough in the very first months of that eyar) it must have been so that quite a few German awards where awarded towards Belgians and that my fellow citizens did ask for eprmission to wear these awards officially. I think the Belgian governement did also did officially forbid the wear of awards from enemy states in 1914-1918. It is a fact that the civilians of the newly captured Belgian territory of EUpen-Malmedy where no longer allowed to wear there won awards of what belgium considered a foreign country (read => Germany) in 1921. So a German soldier who was born in EUpen before 1900, who did do his duty with his homecountry's army (for example => Prussian army unit) and did win the Iron cross 2 nd. class, etc..... was forbidden in 1921 to wea rhis earned award officially after that date as he was now a Belgian civilian. It is a complex thing for sure. And depending on country one should best make the following distinction, for example: * German awards towards Belgians: pre 1914 : no problem to wear them iff there was a official 'royal decree' that granted its wear 1914 - 1918 : unclear => most probably officially forbidden, it would certainly not be cosher for any belgian soldier to wear a award of a now enemy state after 1918 into the Interbellum: the public opinion was not good about wear of wearing awards of enemy states once relations normalized => wear could be done again, unproven iff this did happen indeed for awards that where rendered before 1914. * Belgian awards towards Germans Quite a few awarded before 1914 and even into 1914 (i have unpublished proof of this found in german archives) 1914 - 1918 : probably forbidden as Belgium was a enemy state after 1918 into the inetrbellum : unclear at this point => still to be researched once relations normalized => wearing allowed again? => still to be researched Cordial greetings, ps: fact is that in Belgium the history of once friendly relations between Germany and Belgium where forgotten after 1918 and that still very few research on this subject untill this day does exist. Wich can cause the impression that the relation Germany / belgium always was very cool => wich is a misinterpretation of history as before 1914 relations where very normal !!! :rolleyes:

Hello, Thanks for the reply's guys => hehehe, these birdies love each others company and they are very shy There is a very interesting observation on this almost unworn badge, iff you look good at the eagle then you will notice that the front does retain 95 % of its original finish. When looking at the reverse its does not have any finish? The only explanation is that the eagle was treated on the front (lying on its back) and that it was finished that way. The reverse was never treated ( lower production costs?) . Damn i love these gliding birds Cordial greetings,

Hi Guys, Thank you for the flowers => it is indeed nowadays a very rare occasion to find such treasures first hand, but they still exist as this small legacy does proove The eagle on the front is very nicely blackened and that is also something not often seen on a BSW glider badge. ANyway it is nice to see that these badges (BSW Buntmetal) products where still handed out in June 1942, such untouched legacy's do give us a wonderfull research opportunity and it does help understanding the badge better. Cordial greetings,

Hello, Some very nice portrait pictures for sure => thanks for showing them. And i am very happy to announce that the following person posted by 'Wessel has been identifyed The shown person is 'Robert Schwede', he was a civil glider pilot who earned the Silver C Glider profiency badge on 03.07.1939 (the bullion version can be seen sewn on to his tunic.) I have picked up a photoalbum during my Germany trip from a few days ago where he is shown, everything is exact the same (ribbon bar, awards, same face, etc...) except that he is one rank higher in the picture from Wessel. And the picture i have has the following caption "Der Alte Schwede" => so a search in the unpublished Silevr C holders list did do a 100 % match. So your person from the picture has now a name again : Robert Schwede Cordial greetings,

Hello, Thank you for the many reply's and the research => much appreciated Here is the award document that did trigger my interest and questions Cordial greetings,