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As for Number 1, Helmut Richter held the position of Höh.Kdr Festungs-Flak-Artillerie III from April 1940 to January 1941 as a Generalmajor (promoted to Generalleutnant 1st August 1941). I believe he took over from Oskar Bertram.

Do you have a date for the second one as it could be Georg Neuffer who commanded 5 Flakdivision as a Generalmajor from April to November 1942.

Thank you very much - much appreciated.

Thanks for that Dave - definitely not Grolig then! Aufkl.Abt 6 Kdr at the beginning of 1939 was Major Frhr von Eckhardtstein, and after his (the soldier whose WP it is) service with I./Aufkl.Rgt 6 he went to the Kriegsakademie in November 1938. Whoever the Oberstleutnant is it could be assumed that if he was an Oberstleutnant in early 1938 he would of reached General rank (if he was seen as such material by his superiors) but of course there are probably loads who should of but never did for one reason or another, including death.

An Oberstleutnant from June 1939 with Kampfgruppe zbV 2. www.ww2.dk shows the Gruppenkommodeur for this period as Obstlt von Lindenau - can anyone confirm if it is his signature?

Stamp shows I Abteilung Aufkl.Rgt 6 and dated 1938 with the signing officer being an Oberstleutnant and Kommandeur (of the Aufkl.Rgt rather then the Abteilung I'm assuming). In the aforementioned book in the above post, the commander of the Abt is no higher then a Major and there is no mention of an Aufkl.Rgt 6 (unless I can't see it for looking). But under Aufkl.Abt 8 there is an Oberstleutnant in command with the name of Grolig and in brackets there is the notation (Aufkl.Rgt 6). The soldier (an officer) whose WP this is did serve with Aufkl.Abt 8 from Oct 1935-Oct 1937 before going to I./Aufkl.Rgt 6 from Oct 1937-Nov 1938 (or was it a case of Abt 8 being renamed as the I Abt of Aufkl.Rgt 6?). Anyway, I can't see the name of Oswin Grolig in that signature but you never know I suppose where a squiggle is concerned!

Generalmajor shown as Kommandeur Wehrbezirkskommando in Berlin in 1936. Unfortunately by the time the listings seen in Das Deutsche Heer 1939: Gliederung, Standorte, Stellenbesetzung und Verzeichnis sämtlicher Offiziere am 3.1.1939 were compiled none of the various Kommandeurs of the Berlin W.B.K's were above the rank of Oberst.

The Ehrenkreuz is indeed an underrated source for signatures (until this thread anyway!) and a lot of the time the dealers don't do their homework when it comes to these humble documents, presumably thinking that no-one of note would possibly sign them.That example of Helldorf that you have posted is a great example and I have also seen such citations bearing hand signed signatures of Guderian, von Brauchitsch and Dollmann to name just a few.

Interesting question (nice set by the way). While I can't say with any certainty I don't think it would affect the status of the citation - but then again there is always the case that they didn't have any formal citations available and knew that in all probability this was all he was going to get.

NEW - With a view to helping members identify those unknown signatures in their collections a new set of threads have been added and pinned to the start of this Database with one each for the relevant arm of service for both WW1 & WW2 as well as ones for those signatures that do not fit into one of the other categories. So if you have such a signature please feel free to post it in the relevant Unidentified thread and maybe another member will be able to help put a name to the squiggle! Once a signature has been identified please add it to the database under the signers own name.

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Oberleutnant Raimund Edelbruth. Born: 10 Dec 1906 Highest rank reached: Major Chef 11./Infanterie Regiment 110 Grenadier Regiment 110 Btl-Kdr I./Infanterie Regiment 253 Btl-Kdr I./Grenadier Regiment 253 DKiG - 7th July 1942 Ehrenblattspange - 8th April 1943 Image: Wehrpass

Hauptmann Wolfram Montfort Born: 25 Apr 1909 Highest rank reached: Major I./Pz.Rgt 4 Panzer-Abt-Montfort Pz.Rgt 4 Kommandeur Lehrtruppe der Panzertruppenschule Bergen, Fallingbostel DKiG - 1st Dec 1941

Oberst Walter Karl Hans Theodor Engelhart Born: 01 May 1885 Died: 22 Feb 1966 Kommandeur Wehrbezirkskommando Eutin (held position until at least 1944) Image: Wehrpass

Hauptmann Arthur Giesemann Born: 03 Oct 1895 Died: 06 Feb 1945 - died in Lazarett Pillau Highest rank reached: Oberstleutnant Adjutant Wehrbezirkskommando Bischofsburg Kommandeur Wehrbezirkskommando Tilsit Image: Wehrpass

Major Beling. Highest rank reached: Oberst Kommandeur Wehrbezirkskommando Bad Kreuznach (held position as both a Major in 1936 and as an Oberst in 1944) Image: Wehrpass

Major Mackensen von Astfeld. Highest rank reached: Oberst Kommandeur Wehrbezirkskommando Wuppertal Kommandeur Wehrbezirkskommando Goslar Image: Wehrpass

I can't speak/read German to that extent but I think basically they have provided you with information on the soldier you requested and are awaiting payment of 16 Euros at a rate of 8 Euros per page of information.

Oberst Hans-Joachim von Horn. Born: 23rd Oct 1896 Died: 10th Jan 1994 Highest rank reached: Generalleutnant Chef Gen. St. XII Armeekorps Chef Gen. St X Armeekorps Befh. H. Geb. Don (Temporary Comannder Army-Area Don) Kommandeur 198 Infanterie Division Milit. Attachee - Berne DKiG - 1st Dec 1943 Image: KvK Citation