The Prussian

Hi Chip! Like Kraus said: C.IV Maschinengewehr-Truppen Felduniform M1907: "Feldrock. In Preußen graugrün. Alle Vorstöße ponceaurot" Neuuniformierung 1915/16: "... fiel die besondere Uniform der MG-Abteilungen fort Die Abteilungen sollten die Uniform desjenigen Truppenteils anlegen, dem sie angegliedert waren." 2. Gebirgs-MG-Formationen Felduniform: Von der Abschaffung der graugrünen MG-Uniformen wurden die Gebirgs-Abteilungen nicht betroffen..." 28.5.1915: The Geb.MG.Abt. were set-up in may 1915. Then they wore the uniforms of the regular uniforms of the MG-Abtl. (greygreen shoulder-straps, red pipings). The bavarians had fieldgrey shoulder-straps, light-green pipings.). (2.9.1915 Württembeg ; Bavaria wore the fieldgrey uniforms, because they didn´t know the grey.-green uniforms) 21.9.1915: Abolition of the greygreen uniforms for MG-Abt, BUT NOT for mountain troops! So every Geb.MG.Abt. had red-piped, greygreen shoulder straps. To me it sounds, like the Geb.MG.Abt. didn´t have the M1915 Bluse, but only the Waffenock. Please check your photos

Chip, That´s right for MG-Abtl., but NOT for Geb.NG-Abtl.! Kraus writes, from dec.8, 1915 the reygreen uniforms had to be continued to wear. ( > 2. Gebirgs-MG-Formationen - Felduniform)

I haven´t heard about that, Chip. Are you sure, that a small unit like this could have changed their uniforms during the war?

Hi Chip! I don´t think so. Please have a look at Kraus. He wrotes, that Geb.MG.Abtl. the grey-green uniforms of the MG-Abtl. Those shoulder-straps had red pipings (bavarians green). Bikers instead had Jäger uniforms with green pipings

Unbelievable! Congratulations! If I need a book badly, I´ll give you the job to look for...

Peace in the valley...

Hello Chip! Thank you for your uniform declarations! I´m always be amazed, that you´ve got a shoulder strap for every single branch of service! But now to your questions. Here we go: Res.Radf.Kp.78: First belonged to the Radf.Btl.1. (2nd.Inf.Radf.Brig.), left this Btl. in sept. 1918 to become a MGK in the Radf.Btl.7. It became demobilized in Jg.Btl.10 Radf.Kp.201: First belonged to the 201.Inf.Div., later Heeresgruppe Kronprinz Rupprecht, then 4.Armee, then, 17.Armee. It became demobilzed in Jg.Btl.2

Andy, you´re right! The best informations about the "filedgrey.-bikers"- formation you can get in the "Zeitschrft für Heereskunde", N° 185 and 186 (from 1963).

That´s right Andy! Bravo!!! At mobilization, each Jg.Btl. had 2 bicycle-companies (Jg.Btl. 10 and 1st bavarian has 3 companies ; active and reserve 8 only had one). During the war, more companies were set-up, so too the Radfahr-Kompanie Nr.151. First in the 6th Reserve-Division. After the re-organization of the bicycle-bataillons, it later came to the 5th bicycle-bataillon The 5th bataillon (after re-organization) consisted of: Staff 1st bicycle comp.Jg.Btl.6 2nd bicycle comp. Jg.Btl.6 Bicycle comp. 151 1st bicycle comp. Jg.Btl.14 2nd bicycle comp. Jg.Btl.14 Bicycle comp. 54 MGK Because the 151 was the only unit, wearing Tshakos, and we see a Jäger uniform with Karabiner, it´s the Radfahrer-Kompanie Nr.151. I think, it´s a nice, rare photograph

Yes, I´ll wait. But I hope, this thread will not be forgotten... Chip might know the solution. But, anyway, he will be busy with your other thread (soulder board Jg.Rgt.3), Chris...

I think, Chip will visit you with a thing, consists of a barrel and a trigger... It´s only 1000 mls...

No. It was a prussian unit. So they surely didn´t have the idea to confuse prussian collectors... No idea for the "R"? The very last tip: In english language the "R" would be an "B"

If it were an MG unit, they would show machine guns. Landwehr would wear an "L". 3rd and last Tip. The "R" does NOT stand for Reserve

No, that´s wrong, matey! 2nd. Tip. Tshakos. But it´s not Verkehrstruppe (like Telegraphen or Luftschiffer)

And here is a little riddle for you, mates! Which unit do we see? Tip: An Res.Inf.Rgt.151 did NOT exist!!

Nice photo, Chris! I´ve got an interesting photo according to yours! The saxon Reserve-Jg-Btl.25 was set-up by the Ers./s.Jg.Btl.13. Here is a photo with both units! s.ResJg.Btl.25 and s.Jg.Btl.13

Hello Bernhard! Wonderful! Thank you very much for your explantation!!!!

Can anyone say something to the Mattei? My french ain´t good enough...

What do you think about the base colours of the Litzen?

Thanks a lot Andrew!

Hi Chris! No, these were 19 different lists from 1755-1790 (or 1788 -I don´t know exactly). My friend wrote that the lists originally belonged to a colonel, which father and grand-father were members of the general-staff (I don´t know the name). He also wrote, that they were written by the "Kriegs-Kolleg" for the closest circle of Frederick the Great. I attached two photos, before they were sold to this museum: http://www.armeemuseum-plassenburg.de/

Merci, Christophe! Another point is, those army rank lists are well-known since the era after Napoléon. Relicts from Frederick´ s era are unknown! Until a friend of mine bought 19 of them from a library of the german army. The books were forgotten in the cellar. Now they have been sold to a german museum. Luckily I had the chance to buy one of them for my collection! I am the luckiest man ever after the day of my devorce 19 years ago...

Hello friends! I just recieved this wonderful army list!!!!!!!!! It´s an originally, hand-written one from december 1757 (seventeen-hundred and fiftyseven)!!!!! I only made one photo, because I don´t want to strain the binding. This page shows the staff officers of the hussards. Probably this one is written by a member of the prussian higher command and maybe Frederick the Great hold it in his hands to approve that list! I haven´t seen a list of that era before! When I first read inside, my blood ran cold and I needed a huge swallow of a very good Calvados!

Great, Markgraf! Thank you very much!!!!!!!

Hi friends! It´s difficult to see the colours of the collar. The collars of the coat were: collar turned down: blue like the colour of the peace-tunic and, collar turned up the colour of the collar of the peace-tunic. That means red for infantry, black for engineers (like the colour of the cap-band) etc. Do we see a red collar here, because he wears an IOD?