Solomon

Indeed...a very nice looking and complete group (without documents) Congrats! Greetings Solomon

Thank you very much for the identification. I added the information in my files. Greetings Solomon

Puuh...hard work to post all items.... Some (unimportant) documents are missing: Hanseatic cross award-document Long service medal 12 years award-document And the award-documents for the WW2-awards If you see one of them, please inform me, if possible... I hope you like this rare and weird group...weird because of the awards from Schaumburg AND Detmold! Greetings Solomon

11) Award-document for the iron cross 2nd class 1914 date: December, 21th 1915 signed by: Generalleutnant Wemner

10) Bestallung Feldwebelleutnant date: December, 20th 1915 signed by: Freiherr von Billisch (Generalgouverneur from Belgium) A quite uncommon document from Belgium?never seen before?

9)Award-document for the war merit cross Lippe-Detmold date: November, 20th 1915 Ooooh...two bizarre things: He got his war merit cross Lippe-Detmold before the IC 2nd class 1914 !!!! And the type of document is new for me: The seal at the bottom is not printed black (as it is on my other documents for this award)! This must be a early type of the document...

8) Award-document for the long service medal 3th class for nine years date: November, 30th 1912 signed by: ??? Oberleutnant Please remember, on that date he was only 27 years old!!!

7) statutes for the ?Leopoldorden? This is the version with its changes till 1911...

6) Letter for the award-document and statutes signed by: (Eduard) Pustekuchen

5) award-document for the silver merit medal of the ?Leopoldorden? date: August, 30th 1911 signed by: (Eduard) Pustekuchen (Geheimer Regierungsrat Detmold, highly decorated) Ah...only 2 weeks later he got his Detmold-award....now he was political correct decorated By the way...there were 331 awards of this medal...

4) award-document for the silver merit medal Schaumburg-Lippe date: August, 17th 1911 signed by: Freiherr von Feilitzsch I don?t show the statutes and envelope for these documents, if needed I can also do. But...what is this??? Do you remember? He was born in Detmold, but he got an award from Schaumburg-Lippe (almost an political enemy of Lippe-Detmold) before he got something from Lippe-Detmold!

3) Bestallung ?Bezirksfeldwebel? date: August, 4th 1911 signed by: Generalmajor Wagner (?)

2) Ribbon-bar with Iron Cross 2nd Class 1914 War merit cross 2nd class 1939 with swords Hanseatic cross Hamburg Lippe-Detmold war merit cross (combatants-ribbon) Schaumburg-Lippe silver merit medal (watch for the ribbon!!!! ) Hindenburg-cross 2 x Medal for long service WW 2 (The eagles are missing) The ribbon for the Leopold-Order is missing, because he wasn?t allowed to wear it without the medal (->statutes). But there is al litte mistake...the tailor put the wrong ribbon for the Schaumburg-Lippe merit medal on it (he mounted the Lippe-Detmold merit medal ribbon ).

Hello Gentlemen, I just got a new highlight, maybe some of you saw it on Ebay, divided into single auctions ?I bought the complete group, to keep it together: The owner was Friedrich August Christian Heinrich Sch?fer, Bezirksfeldwebel by the Bezirkskomando M?nster born in Detmold on February, 20th of 1885 1) his medalbar with Iron Cross 2nd Class 1914 Lippe-Detmold war merit cross (combatants-ribbon) Hanseatic cross Hamburg Hindenburg-cross Medal for long service 2nd class for 12 years (repaired) Medal for Long service 3th class for 9 years Lippe-Detmold silver merit medal of the Leopold-Order Schaumburg-Lippe silver merit medal

I also saw this criminal...really a shame! Now he probabely will get less money, also because everybody can see that he destroyed a medalbar! Solomon

Yes, there are some awards, shown in Schwark?s book, which are lying in the archive (for example LDH1= Grosskreuz ). But I don?t think these awards were the returned ones... And there is the medalbar from Eduard Pustekuchen, maybe his estate were given to the archive, when he died. This isn?t uncommon. I never asked to look at these stored awards, I don?t know if you need a permission for that, but I?ll try it in the future Solomon

Really fantastic work! By the way...you showed a nice example: There is a Eduard Pustekuchen (funny name in german), Geheimer Oberregierungsrat. His medalbar (but without RAO III ?) can be found in the archive of Detmold Reiner Schwark showed a photo of it in his Lippe-book. There are the following awards on it: Golden merit cross with swords on ribbon Lippe-Detmold Cross for war aid Prussia War merit cross on NC-ribbon Lippe-Detmold Albrecht-order Saxony Medal for 1870/71 with clasp "Metz" Prussia Centenar-medal Prussia 1897-medal Lippe-Detmold 1905-medal Lippe-Detmold Really a nice looking and impressive bar...I should ask, if I?m allowed to hold it in my hands... Greetings Solomon

Ah...I just compared the names and not their birthday...my fault Roman

Hmm, that?s interesting! I did a little cross-check when I looked through the award-rolls of the LDH4 with X (bothe types A and B) and marked on the list of the 1905-medal possible persons. I didn?t complete this cross-check but I found two persons: The first one, you already mentioned, was Freiherr von F?rstenberg. Because of his many other awards from Lippe you can exclude him for sure. The princes I didn?t found, because I hadn?t much time. I marked another man on my list and now I have to check him again: It?s No. 145 of the 1905-medal-list: Heinrich Sievert, Ministerialregistrator (I marked him not clearly , but I?m quite sure it?isn?t No. 144) Can you look through the copies of your lists again and check if I mistaked? Greetings Solomon

Ah okay...but i there is something you can?t read...please ask...I?ll try to help you if possible. Solomon

My avatar is the Lippe-Detmold Lippische Rose 2nd class with oakleaves for art and science The order from Schaumburg-Lippe 2nd class I showed here: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=6602 And my avatar I showed here: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=5497 Greetings Solomon

I can add something not mentioned. I didn?t type it yet, but if there are questions, it?s no problem: Rolls for Schaumburg-Lippe Order for art and science 1st and 2nd class Something very special and the lists are not as nice as the Detmold-rolls are....Rick knows what I mean. Greetings Solomon

A nice example from Schaumburg...congratulation! I wish I had a twin from Lippe-Detmold....the merit crosses are very nice (I mean both: Schaumburg AND Lippe) Greetings Solomon

And this roll doesn?t exist There are only the signed receipts...only about 1100 papers with terrible handwriting. But there is another possibility, much easier to do: ...finding the signed receipt of the golden merit medal, where both listed their other awards... A job, which I?ll have to do when I?ll go to Detmold again Greetings Solomon

Hehe...I won! And Rick has to clean his glasses. The man is: Kurt August Karl B?hmer, born December, 13th in 1889 in Detmold. He got the following awards (and I have to correct myself): IC 2nd class 1914 LDH4 B with swords (on November, 10th in 1918 / No. 195 (?)) LD war merit cross LD merit cross for heroic deeds Turkish Gallipoli star Bulgaria merit cross 5. class with swords The missing ribbon might be after 1933. He was Leutenant der Reserve in 1919. I have his signed receipt in copy...there is no doubt! Greetings Solomon