Solomon

Here is another nice picture, which I have new in my collection. It was taken in WW II, but it fits here perfect... The soldier, Leutnant of the infantery-regiment No. 63, awarded the turkish Gallipoli star (Tuerkischer Halbmond), the honor cross for heroic deeds (convex-form) and at his ribbon-bar you can find -IC 2nd class 1914 -house-order or military merit medal Lippe-Detmold (with swords) -war honor cross Lippe-Detmold -bavarian military merit cross 4th class with swords (?) -??? (maybe turkish medal) -Hindenburg-Cross with swords May be someone can fill the ??? at the ribbon-bar for me ? Greetings Solomon

You are right, I didn?t think about that... I was wondering, because a very small piece is broken out from this cross....a quite strange crack. @all The only bavarian order, which is listed is " bayer. Mil.-Verdienst Orden IV m. Schw." (bavarian military merit order 4.th class with swords). But please remember...his list only includes awards he got till 23th October 1917! Some (later) awards are missing...the Red Eagle Order 3th class with the crown and swords for example! Greetings Solomon

Thank you, Wild Card Because I don?t live far away from Detmold, it is easy for me to research information in the archive of Detmold. I think the crack in my cross maybe a production-fault, because it is almost unworn. By the way...here is something very interesting, which can only be found in the archive. The document is originally signed by the "Red Baron"...his various awards are very interesting (I?m allowed to show you this copy -> copyrights by the archive in Detmold) Hope you enjoy it... Greetings Solomon

Hmm, I?ve never seen such a citation yet. Maybe you can find it in the files of the archive in Detmold ??? In my passport of "August Kramer", there is only a entry "Stellungskrieg in frz. Flandern"... His signed receipt, I found in the archive, doesn?t say anything about that. Greetings Solomon

It?s very easy, you can find the statues at the document?s back. They are the same for the war merit cross, except ? 4. Here is a scan from one of my documents... Greetings Solomon

@Daniel: Very nice screwback-cross... There is still a place free in my collection Here are some more information, you can?t find anywhere, but in the archive... Yesterday I went again to Detmold and I had the original receipts the persons who awarded this cross had to fill out in my hands: There were some well known persons, who got it: First, I?ve found the original one for "Freiherr Manfred Albert von Richthofen" and of course, I have made a copy for my collection But there are some more highlights: The first cross was awarded by Prince Leopold IV. of Lippe-Detmold (who also spent this cross). On 13. October 1916 von Hindenburg and von Ludendorff signed (personally) the receipts! Pince Luitpold of Bavaria, Kaiser Wilhelm II., General von Falkenhayn and some other well known generals with a very long list of other orders and awards, they got, can also be found in these files...Pretty nice to read Of course, I also found and copied the receipt, which fits to my military pass of "August Kramer". Greetings Solomon

I?ll agree. The cross, the photo shows, seems to be flat. Quite difficicult, because it?s the first time I see a flat one. IMO, your cross is an original one, made by Zimmermann. Greetings Solomon

...and his medal bar with -IC 2nd class 1914 -War merit cross Lippe-Detmold -Hindenburg-cross for front-fighters Greetings Solomon

Thanks @Dond: Nice cross, looks like Zimmermann?s work (needle-system and finish). But it isn?t convex, is it? I?ve never seen a non-convex cross before?! Here is some more new stuff It?s a entry in the military pass from "August Kramer" who got this cross for heroic deeds on 15th May 1918 for risking his life in a fight near Flandern. He also got the iron cross 2nd class 1914 on 22th August 1917 and the war merit cross Lippe-Detmold on 22th December 1917. He was also wounded but there is no entry for the (black) wound badge... The entries:

Thank you But your variety of packets is simply impressive! There is only a small mistake Your very rare packet of the wound-badge is for the silver (dull-white = mattweiss) one, not for the black one... Greetings Solomon

...and another packet from lippe: War honor medal Lippe-Detmold ("Kriegsehrenmedaille")

Okay, I allready showed it...but here it is again: War merit cross Lippe Detmold ("Kriegsverdienstkreuz")

Hi David, one very important information: The Honor Cross III. and IV. class (and of course the upper classes also) Schaumburg-Lippe and Lippe-Detmold are the same till 1889 Both show at the reverse the chiffre "LA" in the center of the order, which stands for Leopold III. (Prince of Lippe-Detmold) and Adolph Georg (Prince of Schaumburg-Lippe). These orders are very rare, all numbers of awards are less than 100. And some orders were given back to the "Staatsministerium" after both principalities were divided. Greetings Solomon

No, the book "Orden und Ehrenzeichen des F?rstenthums Lippe-Detmold" only shows the orders, the manufactures and the number of awards and only from Lippe-Detmold. In this book no decorations from Schaumburg-Lippe are shown! I have the copies of the lists of recipients from Schaumburg-Lippe and Lippe-Detmold (for the order of a. and s. 2nd class), which can be found in the archives of Detmold and B?ckeburg (for Schaumburg). But you can?t find the names in any books... Greetings Solomon

I know, that there is another file with many documents in the archive of Hannover. There are also some photos of her (maybe with the order(s) ???). When I?ll find the time, I?ll also visit this archive and collect some more information. I hope you like my research. It was quite difficult, but now I?m proud the result, which gives my very rare orders a name. Greetings Solomon

Her answer and her thanks to the prince of Lippe-Detmold:

Document from the "Lippisches Hofmarschallamt" that informs the "Lippisches Staatsministerium" about the award(s) the prince spent at the mentioned concert:

The entry of the award-list Lippe-Detmold:

The entry of the award-list Schaumburg-Lippe:

After a long research I can now offer you the person, who awarded these Orders for art an science 2nd class with oakleaves Lippe Detmold (?Lippische Rose 2.Klasse Lippe-Detmold) and the cross for art and science 2nd class Schaumburg Lippe (I showed it here: LINK). The only possible woman is the opera-singer Lilly Walleni-Strandberg (born as Sanna Klara Valentin (-Strandberg)) who was born in Malm?, 11. August 1875. She studied at the musical-college in Boston , returned to Swede in 1902 and went to Germany in 1908. From 1911 till 1917 she was employed at the opera in Hannover and became the title ?Fuerstlich Lippischische Kammersaengerin?. On 12. December 1913 she got the order for art and science 2nd class Schaumburg-Lippe. On 19. February 1914 she gave a concert at the castle of Detmold and the prince of Lippe-Detmold decorated her with the order of art and science 2nd class Lippe-Detmold (Lippische Rose) this day. The document for the ?Lippische Rose? she got on 11. March 1914 and she signed the receipt at the end of this month. In 1917 she returned to Stockholm, where she died on 14. May 1920. Both decorations of Lilly Walleni (there were no other awards from Lippe and Schaumburg-Lippe):

Now, gentlemen, I have the exact number of awards (because I have the award-list in copy...) There were 35 awards of the 1st class (1899-1918) incl. 20 awards till 1914 and 119 awards of the 2nd class (1899-1918) incl. 7 awards till 1902. 30 women got the order of art and science 2nd class of Schaumburg-Lippe. Now I know who got my awards (Schaumburg-Lippe and Lippische Rose 2nd class -both at a ribbon for women) Greetings Solomon

By the way, he also sells some other orders...Red Eagle Order IV., Albert-order, order of the crown...the same "problem" with the pictures...quite dangerous! Greetings Solomon

Hello, I?ve some nice new documents in my collection This one is for "B?rgermeister Reinhard Dony" (mayor of Quierscheid near Saarbr?cken), who awarded the order of the crown 3th class on 26th october 1916. I got also some other very nice documents from his father (?), who was Hauptmann (captain) till 1893. Does anybody have some more information about Reinhard Dony and his awards? I know this might be difficult, because maybe he wasn?t in the army... Greetings Solomon

Okay, then I ?ll agree. By the way,he didn?t sold this bar...now he reduced the price (but still very expensive) Greetings Solomon

Hi, the medal-bar at Ebay I don?t like very much. The ribbons are mounted very strange and the price for this bar is much too high BTW...two weeks ago, I bought some documents,awards and photos which contained the military merit medal Lippe-Detmold. There is a very small chance, that this guy (who was seriously wounded two times in WW1) got one of the two medals without swords, which were awarded in 1915. I have to check this, when I`ll visit the archive in Detmold again. Greetings Solomon