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According to the information from that TV documentary Belgrade had around 200.000 inhabitants during '20s of which around 20.000 Russians

Thanks for the interesting link Paul. I visited Sremski Karlovci couple of times and I was amazed by it's beauty. Here's one more picture of the monument.

You are most welcome Paul. This subject was pretty interesting to me as well. Probably the most famous of them was Wrangel. According to his wishes he was buried in a small Russian church here in Belgrade. There is even his monument in Sremski Karlovci, a place where he had his headquarters for some time. Regards, Radmilo

Thank you very much Nick! You have answered all of my questions, and much more. After the civil war many Russians came to Serbia so it's not that strange that things like this show up here from time to time. I once watched a TV documentary about "our" Russians, there I heard that at that time every 10th resident of our capital was Russian. And they gave a big contribution to our country considering that a lot of them had higher education, professors, members of academy, architects... Not to mention the officers and members of the White Guard. My grandfather told me that when he was young a Russian colonel lived in the same building as he and he also had I think math teacher from Russia.

I thought so Paul, too bad.. Rogi thanks for the warnings

Paul, Thanks for clarification! Those marks concerned me. Is it maybe possible to determine who was the producer of this medal? Regards, Radmilo

Paul thanks again, does that mean that you have seen these medals with illegible marks as well? Is this a bad indication? Best regards, Radmilo

Thank you very much Paul! It is 24mm, and the marks on the suspension ring are unfortunately unreadable (at least I can't read them). Thanks Rogi, I'm glad that you like it

Greetings gentlemen, I have recently acquired this Red Cross medal, thoughts and comments on it are more than welcome (especially when it comes to it's originality). Thanks in advance! http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_10_2013/post-7937-0-45350900-1382613798.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_10_2013/post-7937-0-00580500-1382613822.jpg

You are most welcome Ionionescu. So there is no doubt then. It is logical to assume that they were awarding 5th type some time after the assassination (like you mentioned there must have been some amount of them left) but it really surprises me that they were still awarding them five years later. Kind regards, Radmilo

Fran Sorlini, no inscription on the outer side of the lid. http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_10_2013/post-7937-0-16023700-1381855207.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_10_2013/post-7937-0-32421800-1381855236.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_10_2013/post-7937-0-88450100-1381855257.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_10_2013/post-7937-0-21414300-1381855289.jpg

Here are couple of pictures of the 4th class, 2nd variant of 5th type with simple cardboard cases. The cases are I believe very rare. Both of these medals were recently sold on ebay. Huguenin. http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_10_2013/post-7937-0-70748300-1381855020.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_10_2013/post-7937-0-06429300-1381855033.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_10_2013/post-7937-0-37808500-1381855049.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_10_2013/post-7937-0-22965700-1381855067.jpg

I agree, it really does look like King Aleksandar is on front side. Medals with Aleksandar are 5th type, they were awarded between 1927 and 1934. After the assassination 4th type (1921-1927) was back in use, so this so-called 6th type (1934-1941) is basically the same as 4th. 4th type had 2 variants, first one was used between 1927 and 1929, and the second between 1929 and 1934. The difference is inscription on front side, on first "Aleksandar I King of Serbs, Croats and Slovenians" (like on the medal that you have used as an example) and on second "Aleksandar I King of Yugoslavia" (Country was renamed in 1929 so this was logical consequence). Are you sure that this medal was awarded to your grandfather somewhere between '38 and '39? I can't say for sure was this possible, but it sounds strange that the King Aleksandar type was awarded 4 or 5 years after the assassination.

Greetings, You can find some information here: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/25013-serbia-identification-of-badge/

Thanks for answer, I was concerned that someone is maybe trying to trick you. All in all a great catch! My congrats!

Thank you both for kind words! And thank you Igor for posting your order with document in this topic! We can see that #34854 was awarded on 18. of February 1946, and #74634 on 8. of March 1948. so it would be logical that #54927 was awarded somewhere between those two dates and #20652 before February '46. When it comes to ZIN and unnumbered IKOM I am completely clueless. I forgot to mention that there are two theories about gilded unnumbered IKOMs, first that that type was issued on recipient's request as a duplicate and second that it was given to senior officers.

Document for 3rd class medal (but 3rd type 1903-1921) from 1920 got sold on ebay 5 or 6 months ago for almost 200$...

That would be all from me for now, if you have interesting pieces, especially with different types of boxes and/or documents I would be very grateful if you could post them here. Kind regards, Radmilo

One more ZIN #144981 with "interesting" ribbon. http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_10_2013/post-7937-0-43516500-1380638132.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_10_2013/post-7937-0-08690800-1380638143.jpg

ZIN #131075 http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_10_2013/post-7937-0-11884400-1380637984.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_10_2013/post-7937-0-88310700-1380637998.jpg

Gilded unnumbered IKOM. http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_10_2013/post-7937-0-77230600-1380637760.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_10_2013/post-7937-0-91349900-1380637772.jpg

Unnumbered IKOM. http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_10_2013/post-7937-0-74321400-1380637437.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_10_2013/post-7937-0-01214500-1380637478.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_10_2013/post-7937-0-22814800-1380637489.jpg

Slightly different IKOM #54927. http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_10_2013/post-7937-0-72742800-1380637209.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_10_2013/post-7937-0-78516600-1380637252.jpg

Document, issued February 1946. http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_10_2013/post-7937-0-73369100-1380636747.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_10_2013/post-7937-0-76329500-1380636761.jpg