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    Gold Party Pin Guy

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    1. It's odd, but clearly an original factory-made piece and not a later owner modification. The pins were notorious for falling off, but having a big one with a buttonholer has limited use without some sort of goofy buttonhole modification to your tunic, since only the small Gold Party Badge was authorized for lapel wear.
    2. Great work Robin. Geez - with all that knowledge you should write a book about medals someday
    3. Here is Rosenberg's testimony at his Nuremberg trial (April 15, 1946): DR. THOMA: How did you come to the NSDAP and to Hitler in Munich? ROSENBERG: In May 1919 the publisher of the journal which I mentioned was visited by a man by the name of Anton Drexler, who introduced himself as the chairman of a newly founded German Labor Party. He stated that he advocated ideas similar to those expressed by this journal, and from that time I began to have connections with a very small group of German laborers which had been formed in Munich. There in the autumn of 1919 I also met Hitler. DR. THOMA: When did you join Hitler? ROSENBERG: Well, at that time I had an earnest conversation with Hitler, and on that occasion I noticed his broad view of the entire European situation. He said that in his opinion Europe was at that time in a social and political crisis, such as had not existed since the fall of the ancient Roman Empire. He said that seats of unrest were to be found everywhere in this sphere, and that he was personally striving to get a clear picture from the viewpoint of Germany's restoration to sound conditions. Thereupon, I listened to some of the first speeches by Hitler which were made at small meetings of 40 and 50 people. I believed, above all, a soldier who had been at the front, and who had done his duty silently for 4 1/2, years, had the right to speak now. At the end of 1919, I entered the Party-not before Hitler, as it is contended here, but later. In this original Party I was assigned Number 625 as a member. I did not participate in setting up the program. I was present, however, when this program was read and commented upon by Hitler on 24 February 1920. ..... Testimony of April 16, 1946: DR. THOMA: Rosenberg-35. This deals with machinery which had a value of 180 millions and was delivered to the Ukraine-agricultural machinery. Witness, were you a member of the SA or the SS? ROSENBERG: No, I belonged neither to the SA nor the SS. DR. THOMA: So you have never worn an SS uniform? ROSENBERG: No. ------------------- A small party badge for a senior NSDAP member who is an officeholder ("Hoheitstrager") would probably sit in a drawer at home, which is why it is in such good shape. Here is Rosenberg in his two uniforms - one as Reichleiter and the other as Reich Minister for the Eastern Occupied Territories. Hope it helps.
    4. HI Taff, We've been corresponding off line about this badge, so I'll publicly add my 2 cents. As Robin says, a very nice badge - wonderfully original and hsitorically important. I haven't been able to track #18 yet. Rosenberg was #625 of the old DAP (see his Nuremberg trial transcript) but was reisued a new NSDAP number in 1925 on the refounding of the Party. It was probably a very low one based on his historical seniority and his keeping the NSDAP going while Hitler was in Landesberg Prison. Rosenberg was neither honourary SS or SA, so he doesn't appear in the standard lists. His NSDAP number is surprisingly hard to find in Party lists. Being a small Deschler, it would not have been worn in uniform, and you'd have to be pretty stupid to be wearing it while walking around in May 1945.
    5. Thanks for clearing it up Rick - the chunky style had me going for a while there. Wehrmacht it is.
    6. Maybe I lied. I just had a look at a few of my bars and one I assumed was an early Wehrmacht long service bar and eagle now looks to me like an RAD eagle device (the 3-ribbon bar below). I've put a bar with two Wehrmacht long service eagle devices above it for comparison.
    7. Here's my only contribution - a full sized single bar with the rare device in bronze. I've also thrown in my mini bronze RAD medal. The ribbon is not correct, but it came that way.
    8. The pizza is getting bigger. The price on these babies just keeps going up. I've asked around and done some more checking, and I'm now seeing them on dealer sites for a minimum of $2500 (mid-range numbers, average condition, not attributed), so a private sale will be somewhere around there, maybe a shade less. Something I noticed too is the supply is getting thin (real ones, anyway). People are holding onto them, so they are harder to find, which also drives the price up. They are good investments, and look great too. I'm sure it will find a good home quickly if you decide to sell.
    9. Here's one of my faves - not seen too often. It's for a Political Leader Sport Day in 1938.
    10. The NS Frauenschaft was a political NSDAP body (one of the "militant" groups), and the Frauenwerk was a more of a civilian volunteer group.
    11. Hi Forumites, Just a note to say I have finally substantially updated my Gold Party Badge website with new photos, text, sections on Hitler's own Gold Party Badge, fakes and more. Thanks to all who shared their knowledge and photos. You can see it at: http://www.geocities.com/goldpartypin/index.html Happy Collecting.
    12. Hi, It's Stephen here. Sorry for the delay - I don't usually check this part of the forum. I'd say it's a fake. It's been around for a while, but it was one of the first ones to have a semi-convincing face. I think the die was cast from an original that had had the enamel knocked out. That's why the letters are right, but the leaves are indistinct. They never silvered the front and the pinplate is wrong.
    13. Your GPB is clearly in the $1200-$1500 range in that condition, a dealer could sell for more. Pins broke all the time and don't take away much from the value. In the last 3-4 years they've shot up from the $800 range. Glad to bring good news too.
    14. Nice to be in a forum whith such thoughtful people. We should start a thread with a "Hall of Shame" and dig out all the honking fakes we keep in the sock drawer. I forgot to mention that Gold Party Badges are now routinely $1200-$1500 - more for low numbers, military pinpbacks or personality pieces - and I've seen them much higher on dealer sites. My recollection is the DVG badges were for Nazi-supported unification organizers/supporters in the Alsace-Lorraine border region (Westmark-Lotharingen) with France. Nice and rare "Ungarn" pin
    15. Hey Dan, Thanks for the mature reply - I've all but given up offering opinions because of the "shoot the messenger". We all get it in the ear sometimes and no one (including me) likes to find a clunker, but we all have a few in the "live and learn" drawer. I review a lot of Gold Party Badges for buyers and sellers, and sometimes the news isn't good, but at least some people can save a couple thousand dollars. I saw "Hitler's" Gold Party Badge sold for something like $50,000 last year - a total fake, so with only $10 of your money invested there is some comfort.
    16. Hi Dan, Nice Gold Party Badge. It's always a thankless task to be the bearer of bad news, but the first regular party badge with the wonky pin is a fake. I bought one similar in about 1975 from WWII Inc. for $3. The markings are all wrong ("canted M" in RZM logo, looks like a "M9" prefix only used on tinnies, stamped in marks instead of raised), plated nickel instead of silvered, and the "O" on the front should be round, not oval in RZM pieces. Ususally the red is too dark and the dots underneath are faint. The HJ badge is also bad I'm afraid. "Otto Hoffmann" never made HJ badges. These came out a few years back and can be found in all colours of the rainbow. They can be found on most repro sites. In any event, diamond HJ badges should be RZM'd, not maker name marked. Sorry for the bad news.
    17. It appears to be the common cap eagle produced for the Reichspost, Reichsbahn, Zoll, Staatsforstdienst and a few other civil state service organizations. You can see it in the Assmann catalogue. It's the exception to the rule that only NSDAP equipment was RZM marked. M1/17 was a common maker.
    18. I'm sure you know already Don, but it looks like the happy guy above works for the Reichslotterie, with the rare cap eagle and the odd uniform. He seems to be holding a (winning?) ticket.
    19. The translation is actually "Summer Solstice Festival" - a popular festival with pagan roots. It's a nice origial tinnie.
    20. Tickets! Who needs tickets? Here's one I picked up for soccer. Apparently there was a rukus at this particular game, which involved an excited fan from Venezuala (?) firing off a pistol in the stands, resulting in a cancellation and a rematch.
    21. Here is an assortment of four different sizes of the bronze 10 year award, plus bar.
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