J Temple-West
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Nickel silver plated ?Tombak? with a high copper content.
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Rich....If only I had your address As well as the obvious use of nickel silver (eagle) and brass (wreath) in the production of the P/O, close-ups of three different PB?s, show that ?Deumer? experimented with a few metal mixes in an attempt to get it stable for the dies. As with the P/O...Nickel silver.
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Reverse And to answer your question: I have no doubt that these early pieces are by ?Deumer?
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Excellent comparison shots, Rich. The consensus seems to be that these early badges are indeed by ?W.Deumer? and the characteristics certainly point in that direction. Links to earlier threads on the subject. http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=2246 http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=5859 Btw, your list is incomplete. The Pilot/Observer.
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I agree with Rich...no immediate red flags. The badge appears well-worn which could explain the soft appearance. I would ask for better pictures if you?re considering the purchase.
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Reverse
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Here they be. Vince, I'm afraid I don't like the hinge/catchplate set-up. I can't think of a maker that uses anything like it, and it's very close to a system used on a known fake. Any ideas guys?
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I think.. "not suitable for training" or we would see an entry for the Fallschirmsch?tzenabzeichen. He probably had a problem getting out of the door. An extremely rare document, Leigh?.I?m envious.
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Even though the eagle appears a little soft (poor strike?) the rest of the badge looks ok to me. I?m going to go for original late war Flak by C.E Juncker. Any other opinions? Marc, are you out there?
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To my knowledge there two accepted types of eagle used on the ?MuK 5? Ground Combat Badge. After a good look, and based on the pictures supplied, I?d say your badge has one of them. So?.IMO, an original badge, Vince.
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Vince, we've all been there. Again, the reverse looks good...can't quite make out the eagle in this image. later.
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Reverse
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Paul Due into a meeting...Not sure why you're not linking to the pix? Just time to post to these. I quick look shows that it's going to be a difficult one. Hinge and catch look correct for a late Juncker. The obverse looks soft. Will have a better look-see on my return. In the meantime...over to you guys.
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Reverse.
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Vince The badge (probably by the same fakers as the para) is a cast copy of a second pattern ?Juncker? with a B&NL maker mark. A side by side comparison tells the story. Original B&NL (left) Fake (right)
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Hi Vince Not an original. ?Osang? only produced the para badge in zinc. The soft features of the eagle/wreath suggest that a casting process has been used. The catch should have a catch-plate, incorrect rivets and the maker mark is way off.
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And to compliment the 'All Silver' version....The traditional.
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Good addition, Nes.
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Tim, you nutter... If you look closely you'll see that this badge is double marked. This is due to the placement of the rivet hole going through the large "A"... thus the need for the the second smaller maker mark. Nize abzeichen, F.
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For what ever reason (I suspect that it was probably down to 'style') it seems to have been popular method of attachment for all branches of the Wehrmacht. A couple of examples. Luftwaffe. Heer. "I think that it would be prone to fall off applied in that manner." Paul, don't forget the backing plate.
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Paul has correctly picked up on the post-war ?Souval? hardware?Wire rivets and one piece catch/catchplate. Well done, perhaps?. But anything purporting to be a period piece made after the war is just a lump of metal and will always be considered a fake.
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Well, with a three week wait (due to the UK postal strike: thanks for reaching an agreement, guys)? this finally arrived. Flak Badge (Flak Kampfabzeichen der Luftwaffe) by Berg & Nolte. L?denscheid.
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The "eye" is kicking in, Ian. 100% fake.
