Kev in Deva

Hallo Gents I do not like the "veins" on the swastika's arms, a piece which surly would never have passed the R.Z.M. Quality Control ?? Kevin in Deva.

Dear Ed Maroli, why would you take pleasure in such a theft of museum property and as such the history in these pieces being removed. Better yet why have you not reported this if you know it is taking place Kevin in Deva.

As of 17:16 hours 10th January 2008. The Tynan items stood at the following prices: Ireland Irish 1916 Easter Rising Armband 100% Genuine: is now up to: ?1.320,00. Irish Volunteer Easter Rising Medal 1916 100% original: is now up to: ?6.000,00 Irish Volunteer Old Ira Membership Card 1914: is now up to: ?205,00 Irish Volunteer Black & Tan Medal Comrac Bar: is now up to: ?800,00 Irish Volunteer 1921-71 Jubilee Survivors Medal: is now up to: ?200,00 Irish Volunteer Old Ira Dublin Brigade Association Card: is now up to: ?26,00 Irish Volunteer Ira Easter Rising Service Certificate: is now up to: ?205,00 Irish Volunteer Newspaper Eoin MacNeill 1915: is now at: ?31,00 Kevin in Deva.

Hallo Gents jabus got the answer in before me apparently these large size ones were used on graves, I believe there also being similar size EK IIs as well. Kevin in Deva.

Its far to late to get the press or a change in the law, I would say 80% of Irish heritage (Free State connected) has already left the Emerald Isle and is now resident in the USA and Australia, nearly all the Old IRA medals have gone that way over the last 6+ years or so. With most of the items connected to the service of the King or Queen been tossed out onto the rubbish heap, then not very mush remains, and even that is up for grabs: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...:WNASIF:GB:1123 Great War M.C. group of four to 2nd Lieutenant Captain Earl of Altamont (Ulick de Burgh Browne), 7th Marquess of Sligo, 2nd Dragoons (The Royal Scots Greys) Military Cross, G.V.R., reverse inscribed "Earl of Altamont"; British War & Victory Medals "Lieut. Earl of Altamont"; Coronation Medal 1911 inscribed "Ulick de Burgh, Viscount Westport" contact marks, otherwise GVF. Naming on Coronation medal worn on left edge. HE MIGHT ALSO BE ENTITLED TO AN IRISH EMERGENCY SERVICE MEDAL as a MEMBER of THE LOCAL SECURITY FORCE (see below) This has not been researched. He was aged 13 when he received the Coronation Medal in 1911 as Viscount Westport and was just 20 years old when he won his Military Cross as a Cavalry Officer for mounted actions over a four day period. The Official Citation for this Cavalry Military Cross reads "Lt. Ulick de Burgh, Earl of Altamont, 2nd Dgns., For conspicious gallantry and initiative when on reconnaissance at Vieville and Fesnoy on 4th November 1918; near Le Sart on 5th November and South of Cartignies on 6th and 7th November. During these four days he handled his patrols with great skill and boldness , obtaining and sending in accurate information." ex London Gazette 10 December 1919 p,15314. He was born in 1898 and died in 1941 - see obit attached from the Irish Times 8th January 1941 which reads..."We regret to announce the death which took place after a short illness in a Dublin nursing home yesterday evening of Ulick de Burgh Browne, seventh Marquess of Sligo , of Westport House, Co. Mayo. The Marquess of Sligo who was born in 1898 was educated at Eton and at The Royal Military College Sandhurst, being commissioned in the 2nd Dragoons , Royal Scots Greys . He served during the European War of 1914-18 with the rank of Captain and was awarded The Military Cross. After retiring from the Army he settled down at Westport House and took a considerable interest in local affairs. Since the outbreak of the present war (WW2) he has established a first aid station, with three wards, at Westport House, and has provided a fully equiped fire engine and an ambulance for use in the district.He also joined The Local Security Force and was a Group Leader in Section B. The Marquess who succeded his father in 1935 was unmarried. He is survided by his mother (The Widow of the Sixth Marquess) and is succeeded by his Uncle Colonel Lord Arthur Browne K.B.E., C.B.,who was born in 1867. The Scots Greys were immortalised in Lady Butler's paining of their famous charge in the Crimea. see : http://www.thepeerage.com/p3481.htm Ulick de Burgh Browne, 7th Marquess of Sligo M, #34807, b. 30 March 1898, d. 7 January 1941 Ulick de Burgh Browne, 7th Marquess of Sligo|b. 30 Mar 1898nd. 7 Jan 1941|p3481.htm#i34807|George Ulick Browne, 6th Marquess of Sligo|b. 1 Sep 1856nd. 26 Feb 1935|p870.htm#i8698|Agatha Stewart Hodgson|d. 4 Jan 1965|p1144.htm#i11439|Henry U. Browne, 5th Marquess of Sligo|b. 14 Mar 1831nd. 24 Feb 1913|p3259.htm#i32585|Catherine H. Dicken|d. 26 Nov 1914|p3259.htm#i32586||||||| Last Edited=24 Mar 2007 Ulick de Burgh Browne, 7th Marquess of Sligo was born on 30 March 1898. He was the son of George Ulick Browne, 6th Marquess of Sligo and Agatha Stewart Hodgson. He died on 7 January 1941 at age 42, unmarried. Ulick de Burgh Browne, 7th Marquess of Sligo gained the title of 7th Marquess of Sligo. He succeeded to the title of 5th Earl of Galway, co. Galway [i., 1800] on 26 February 1935.1 Citations 1. [s21] L. G. Pine, The New Extinct Peerage 1884-1971: Containing Extinct, Abeyant, Dormant and Suspended Peerages With Genealogies and Arms (London, U.K.: Heraldry Today, 1972), page 72. Hereinafter cited as The New Extinct Peerage. 4 Mar 2007 Ulick de Burgh Browne, 7th Marquess of Sligo was born on 30 March 1898. He was the son of George Ulick Browne, 6th Marquess of Sligo and Agatha Stewart Hodgson. He died on 7 January 1941 at age 42, unmarried. Ulick de Burgh Browne, 7th Marquess of Sligo gained the title of 7th Marquess of Sligo. He succeeded to the title of 5th Earl of Galway, co. Galway [i., 1800] on 26 February 1935.1 Citations 1. [s21] L. G. Pine, The New Extinct Peerage 1884-1971: Containing Extinct, Abeyant, Dormant and Suspended Peerages With Genealogies and Arms (London, U.K.: Heraldry Today, 1972), page 72. Hereinafter cited as The New Extinct Peerage. This is a very late Great War Cavalry Gallantry Group (when Cavalry rode horses) of attributable Medals to a member of one of the most famous and distinguished titled "Irish Landed Gentry" Families. Worthy of further research. Another example of the fine fighting and gallant actions of the Irish Soldier. See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquess_of_Sligo for more background information on the family of the Marquess of Sligo. Kevin in Deva. PS: The family still have Westport House and have a long connection to the Irish Military tradition going back to the South Mayo Militia which became the South Mayo Rifles, which in turn became a Militia Bn of the Connaught Rangers, which was disbanded after the Mutiny of the Connaughts in 1920.

This shows the distinction between those genuinely interested in their country's history and a person driven by the desire just to make money. Unfortunately for the history buffs, as the items now belong to him, he can choose to do what he wants with them, as he is not breaking any law per se Sad day for Old Ireland. Kevin in Deva.

Gemtlemen, Like-wise, I wish to add my best wishes for this celebration. to Families and Friends of our Orthodox members. Kevin in Deva.

Hallo Gents A. H. was officially awarded the following: EKI, citation July 31st 1918 signed by Baron von Godin. Awarded August 1918 EKII, first proposed in Messines, then again at Wytschaete by Lieutenant Colonel Engleheart. Bavarian MVC III Class with swords. September 1917. Bavarian 9 years Service Medal, August 1918. Prussian Black Wound Badge. May 1918 the "List" Regimental Diploma awarded. From the book: "The Life And Death of ADOLF HITLER" by ROBERT PAYNE. Kevin in Deva.

Rear with the added medallion with: *VOM OFFIZIERSKORPS * DER LUFTFAHRTRUPPEN* It also carries hallmarks: "F.R.", (?) and "A" and two stampings to the ribbon ring of "F.R." and "A." Kevin in Deva

Hallo Gents, rather than being a locket, I think it more correct to call the addition a medallion? This one is in my collection: Front. Kevin in Deva.

May I add some pictures from my reference files ??, sorry to say I have no idea to whom the pictures belong, as I found them online yonks ago, however if the item belongs to any of our members I will delete the pictures if requested. Kevin in Deva

Hallo Rick, thanks for the identification, would a combo like this be rare-ish? I have had it for about 9 years picked it up in Bavaria at a flea-market. I have not attempted to open the catch as its very stiff, and the ribbons in a delicate condition. Kevin in Deva

I will add a B & W shot of the rear for more detail of the pin. Kevin in Deva.

The rear, of particular interest is the broad square pin, I cant recall having seen many of these Any opinions appreciated, thank you, Kevin in Deva.

Hallo Gents, going through a box of "bits and bobs" I rediscovered this one. Its got two ribbons one for the Prussian Iron Cross Ii Class the other is a very light blue and has swords attached. Kevin in Deva

Hallo EuRob I have to agree with TerryG, the pin is off centre but there are many variations of these awards, Some of very high quality and others less so, there are pictures posted on this Forum, please see: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=11661 for starters. Kevin in Deva

I doubt if somebody was to copy it they would have put a fake name on the rear. These were not official issue from a Government or State Military but, from the German Legion of Honour, a War Veterans Association and I believe probably given for service to the organisation but stand open to correction. This is more normally associated with them: with sword and wreath insignia on the ribbon for Combatant. Kevin in Deva.

Hallo Anatoly13 Nice Badge, hope you don't mind I highlighted the picture for clarity: Kevin in Deva.

Hallo madness1313, Please feel free to post close ups of the item front and back, first time I have seen one of these items Kevin in Deva.

http://www.geocities.com/athens/4795/Ireland.htm Kevin in Deva.

The He.51 It was used in combat in the Spanish Civil War by the Condor Legion Airforce. Kevin in Deva.

Hallo Bob, I have no doubt, at all of your good intentions with regards this thread, but, I was only pointing out the potential for it getting very messy, as has been witnessed before, it appears to be a phenomenon of our times that recent events tend to fan the flames of political passion very quickly. Kevin in Deva.

Hallo Gents I believe there is a potential with such a topic as proposed to easily inflame peoples passions and politics with such posts in connection to these items. Would such a section be classed as giving legitimacy to these groups? (even providing an opinion on yea or nay goes into the political aspect as all these groups profess a political agenda to justify there existence.) Most of these groups history is in the very recent past and there are no doubt a lot of raw scar tissue out there with regards there actions. And yes the I.R.A. (modern vintage) have been issuing medals to their combatant and non-combatants, although I have to see a picture of one yet. Kevin in Deva.

Kevin in Deva.

Hallo Gents the following is from research work in regards to my book on the British Military in County Mayo, Ireland:- Same edition: Kevin in Deva.