EK 1939 Seeking advice

[EuRob]

Hi~

I have deliberated over these 2 EKs? hard to decide so 2nd opinions are most welcome!

The EK on red background is MM L/11 and looks in good nick the other EK has some small rust around the swas and a touch of rust on left arm but is double marked 20 & L/52.

Not sure which one? advice from more knowledgeable people than myself on this subject would be most grateful.

Thanks EuRob

[ekhunter]

Hi~

I have deliberated over these 2 EKs? hard to decide so 2nd opinions are most welcome!

The EK on red background is MM L/11 and looks in good nick the other EK has some small rust around the swas and a touch of rust on left arm but is double marked 20 & L/52.

Not sure which one? advice from more knowledgeable people than myself on this subject would be most grateful.

Thanks EuRob

Not sure what you are asking. The one on the right is a C.F. Zimmermann, and the one on the left appears to be a Deumer, would like photos of the reverse before rendering opinion though. Are you thinking of buying or selling one of these? Russel

[EuRob]

Not sure what you are asking. The one on the right is a C.F. Zimmermann, and the one on the left appears to be a Deumer, would like photos of the reverse before rendering opinion though. Are you thinking of buying or selling one of these? Russel

....I am thinking of buying both these items and choosing one and selling the other. I am a beginner collector of German medals and am learning stuff all the time, like buying fakes when I very first started!! They are both from a dealer of these things and both state "original" so am confident (i think????) on originality.

I guess what I am asking is: what would be more desirable/higher end item to an EK collector, double marked but a bit salty OR in vgc with a single mark. The double marked is slightly more in price but negligible in the wider scheme of things.

Thanks

Rob

[ekhunter]

....I am thinking of buying both these items and choosing one and selling the other. I am a beginner collector of German medals and am learning stuff all the time, like buying fakes when I very first started!! They are both from a dealer of these things and both state "original" so am confident (i think????) on originality.

I guess what I am asking is: what would be more desirable/higher end item to an EK collector, double marked but a bit salty OR in vgc with a single mark. The double marked is slightly more in price but negligible in the wider scheme of things.

Thanks

Rob

Rob, I would definately like to see a picture of the reverse of the Deumer before commenting. Even honest dealers make mistakes, so being called an original by a dealer doesn't necessarily mean so sometimes. The Zimmermann looks good, and a double marked Zimmermann is not that common, but you do see them occasionally. They do get a little more for the double marked pieces. As far as what piece or pieces to purchase, it's really just a personal preference thing. Some like minty, and some like salty, I personally like somewhere between the two. Russel

[EuRob]

Rob, I would definately like to see a picture of the reverse of the Deumer before commenting. Even honest dealers make mistakes, so being called an original by a dealer doesn't necessarily mean so sometimes. The Zimmermann looks good, and a double marked Zimmermann is not that common, but you do see them occasionally. They do get a little more for the double marked pieces. As far as what piece or pieces to purchase, it's really just a personal preference thing. Some like minty, and some like salty, I personally like somewhere between the two. Russel

ok here is reverse.....

Thanks for your opinion Russel much appreciated!

[ekhunter]

ok here is reverse.....

Thanks for your opinion Russel much appreciated!

O.K. that is the flat catch variety of the Deumer, and is a good one. However, from the photo it appears that it has a little wear to it, and the 11 appears worn off some, so I would say it is a little salty itself. I wouldn't say from appearance sake that the Deumer was in that much better shape overall than the Zimmermann. I doubt you are going to get a Cross cheap enough from a dealer to turn around and sell it for a nice profit. Maybe! You can PM with the price if you want, and I'll tell you if it's in the ballpark or low or high, whatever. Dealers are generally in the ballpark. So if you are going to keep just one, I personally would go for the double marked Zimmermann, but then again that would greatly depend on how much more he wanted for it. Sounds confusing I know, but hopefully this helped some. R

[Paul R]

Ekhunter is right... it all comes down to personal preferences.

For example, I personally like the well worn examples, over a particular maker mark. I know that I will never have all the makers, so I dont even focus on who made what. I dont collect for investment, so my only real concerns are the overall shape and when it was made.

Just my two cents

Paul

[EuRob]

Ok thanks guys I will let you know which one i go for on close inspection!

[DavidM]

Hello

Both look good to me. As has already been said, which one to have is personal preference.

The double marked Zimmerman is from a dealer that I have being buying from for some time, and although some of his prices can be a bit on the high side I have never had a bad deal from him - and never had to return anything. In my opinion you can buy from him with confidence.

Edited August 30, 2006 by DavidM

[Bill Garvy]

That also appears to be the rarer maker marked variant "L/11" that isn't in a box. In a sense you could say these are both relatively uncommon examples, that is the double marked Zimmermann and the Deumer. Tough choice; I like them both, but I would probably choose the Deumer inasmuch as I already have a double marked Zimmermann. . .

[ekhunter]

That also appears to be the rarer maker marked variant "L/11" that isn't in a box. In a sense you could say these are both relatively uncommon examples, that is the double marked Zimmermann and the Deumer. Tough choice; I like them both, but I would probably choose the Deumer inasmuch as I already have a double marked Zimmermann. . .

And what a nice double marked Zimmermann Bill has! Nice catch on the L/11, totally missed that one! That makes me feel like saying what the heck, and buy um both! I say go for it he you can. I can spend other people's money so easily.

Edited August 30, 2006 by ekhunter

[EuRob]

And what a nice double marked Zimmermann Bill has! Nice catch on the L/11, totally missed that one! That makes me feel like saying what the heck, and buy um both! I say go for it he you can. I can spend other people's money so easily.

Cheers fellas that has helped a lot. One more thing though.....The L/11, isnt the mark supposed to be in a box as I read somewhere that the L/11 early 57 EKs where marked in a box identical to the 39 EKs?

[Bill Garvy]

There is an uncommon variant where the L/11 maker mark is not in a box; please reference the example below. . .

obverse:

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reverse:

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