Jan Arne S Posted November 11, 2006 Share Posted November 11, 2006 Hi Guys !A Collector friend of mine have these 3 KM Urkunden . Opinions about these Urkunden . My knowledge about Urkunden is = with 0 . 1. DestroyerJan Arne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Arne S Posted November 11, 2006 Author Share Posted November 11, 2006 2. HSF .Jan Arne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Arne S Posted November 11, 2006 Author Share Posted November 11, 2006 3. Auxiliary Cruiser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted November 11, 2006 Share Posted November 11, 2006 Sorry Jan Arne, just about everything that could be wrong with these, is wrong. Very bad fakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Arne S Posted November 11, 2006 Author Share Posted November 11, 2006 Gordon !Thanks !I had my serious doubt about these Urkunden . But Urkunden is not my strong side . Jan Arne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genoa41 Posted November 11, 2006 Share Posted November 11, 2006 Gordon !Thanks !I had my serious doubt about these Urkunden . But Urkunden is not my strong side . Jan Arne Hello Janfakes. Among other things the signature on Hilfskreuzer (Weyher) is wrong and "Koln" was a kreuzer , you can find some Flottenkriegsabz for kriegsfahrten on kreuzer Kolncheersgiorgio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Arne S Posted November 12, 2006 Author Share Posted November 12, 2006 Hi Giorgio !Thanks for info !I know about "K?ln" . "K?ln" and " K?nigsberg" was both Cruisers and was both with in "Weserubung" and in the attack of Bergen . And if I remember correct "K?nigsberg" was sunk by RAF Bombers in Bergen Harbour 10. april . Jan Arne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 The High Seas Fleet is particularly amusing. Awarded to a crewmember of the Graf Spee ( sunk in 1939) in April 1945, with an ink stamp from a U-Boat Flotilla ( incorrectly designated as the 17th U-Boat Fleet. - I guess D?nitz would have been delighted to know he had so many entire fleets - as opposed to Flotillas available.)Mind you the last one is even better- an Auxiliary Cruiser document with a Luftwaffe Kampfgeschwader stamp !Just goes to show we shouldn't be too complacent about what to us seem easily spotted fakes. There will always be some collectors new to the hobby or to document collecting who won't pick up on the clues in incorrectly completed docs especially if the basic fake blank award documents are reasonably accurate to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Orchard Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 Hi Giorgio !Thanks for info !I know about "K?ln" . "K?ln" and " K?nigsberg" was both Cruisers and was both with in "Weserubung" and in the attack of Bergen . And if I remember correct "K?nigsberg" was sunk by RAF Bombers in Bergen Harbour 10. april . Jan ArneYep, first capital ship to be sunk by aircraft during WWII. It was Fleet Air Arm Skua dive bombers that got her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Arne S Posted November 19, 2006 Author Share Posted November 19, 2006 Hi Guys !Just got an email from my KM Collector Friend . He bought this 3 KM Urkunden from a stand under the Militariashow at Letohallen . The Dealer was Kommis Antiques in Germany . Does anyone have any knowledge about these Dealer , or the persons Holger Frankenberger and Marcus Kasten ?? Lets hope he is able to return the Urkunden . Jan Arne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankmeister Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Hi Guys !Just got an email from my KM Collector Friend . He bought this 3 KM Urkunden from a stand under the Militariashow at Letohallen . The Dealer was Kommis Antiques in Germany . Does anyone have any knowledge about these Dealer , or the persons Holger Frankenberger and Marcus Kasten ?? Lets hope he is able to return the Urkunden . Jan ArneNo info on the sellers, but let's hope your friend's lesson on "Know what you're buying" isn't going to be too expensive... bestHank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Arne S Posted November 20, 2006 Author Share Posted November 20, 2006 Hi Hank !I always sad to him , buy the item and not the story . Perhaps he learn of this . jan Arne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nesredep Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 Hi Guys !Just got an email from my KM Collector Friend . He bought this 3 KM Urkunden from a stand under the Militariashow at Letohallen . The Dealer was Kommis Antiques in Germany . Does anyone have any knowledge about these Dealer , or the persons Holger Frankenberger and Marcus Kasten ?? Lets hope he is able to return the Urkunden . Jan ArneHello!I get my money back 2/4-09,In the Militariashow at Letohallen. A happy ending.All the bestNesredep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John R Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 Also, the sailor listed on the HSF doc was not a member of the Graf Spee crew. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Orchard Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 Hello!I get my money back 2/4-09,In the Militariashow at Letohallen. A happy ending.All the bestNesredepGratulere! I remember you showing them to me last year and saying one day you'll meet the seller again. Your patience has paid off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nesredep Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 Gratulere! I remember you showing them to me last year and saying one day you'll meet the seller again. Your patience has paid off!Hello!SimonYes i showing them to you,you remember nice. All the bestNesredep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John R Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 Hello!I get my money back 2/4-09,In the Militariashow at Letohallen. A happy ending.All the bestNesredepGood for you nesredep. Good work. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nesredep Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 Good for you nesredep. Good work. JohnHello!JohnThanks. All the best Nesredep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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