J Temple-West Posted July 3, 2005 Share Posted July 3, 2005 The Spanish Cross.Numbers awarded.Spanish Cross in Bronze with swords ??. 8,462Spanish Cross in Bronze without swords?.. 7,869Spanish Cross in Silver with swords ???. 8,304Spanish Cross in Silver without swords??. 327Spanish Cross in Gold with swords ???. 1,126Spanish Cross in Gold with swords and Brilliants ? 27Recipients of the Spanish Cross in Gold with Brilliants. Oberleutnant Wilhelm BalthasarOberleutnant Otto BertramLeutnant Wilhelm BoddemOberleutant Kraft EberhardtOberleutnant Wilhelm EnsslenLeutnant Paul FehlhaberOberleutnant Adolf GallandHauptmann Harro HarderMajor Martin HarlinghausenLeutnant Oskar HenriciOberleutnant Max Graf HoyosOberleutnant Hans Detlev von KasselHauptmann G?nther L?tzowOberstleutnant Karl MehnertHauptmann Werner M?ldersHauptmann Rudolf Frhr. von MoreauHauptmann Wolfgang Neud?rfferOberleutnant Walter OesauGeneralmajor Wolfram Frhr. von RichthofenLeutnant Heinz RunzeHauptmann Joachim SchlichtingHauptmann Wolfgang SchellmannOberleutnant Reinhard SeilerOberleutnant Bernhard St?rckeMajor Karl-Heinz WolfGeneral der Flieger Hugo SperrleGeneral der Flieger Helmut Volkmann.Having named the recipients of the SC with brilliants, let?s see how many photographs we can post of these Guys.. I'll start off with Walter Oesau. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Temple-West Posted July 3, 2005 Author Share Posted July 3, 2005 Adolf Galland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Temple-West Posted July 3, 2005 Author Share Posted July 3, 2005 Werner M?lders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted July 3, 2005 Share Posted July 3, 2005 I like this thread and I hope that we all together will illustrate all the names Wolfgang SCHELLMANN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted July 3, 2005 Share Posted July 3, 2005 Wolfram von RICHTHOFEN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted July 3, 2005 Share Posted July 3, 2005 Hugo SPEERLE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted July 3, 2005 Share Posted July 3, 2005 This photo was taken during the award ceremonie in Hamburg on 31th May, 1939. These guys are in LW uniform because they returned home early, the other recipients are wearing the Legion Condor brown uniform.Could you identify all of these guys ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted July 3, 2005 Share Posted July 3, 2005 Gunther L?TZOW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted July 3, 2005 Share Posted July 3, 2005 Helmut VOLKMANN in France, near Chatillon/Seine in 1940, as Army general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted July 3, 2005 Share Posted July 3, 2005 Otto BERTRAMNote all the spanish decorations he is wearing. the ribbon bar shows ''Medalla Militar", "Sufrimientos por la Patria", "Medalla de la Campa?a". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sal Williams Posted July 3, 2005 Share Posted July 3, 2005 Very nice Jacques!Thanks for the history! Do you own any of those photos as originals????Best, SalP.S. looks like this is our own private little forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted July 3, 2005 Share Posted July 3, 2005 Hi SAL,I own some of them.It's not my own forum, and I hope that many guys will share their treasures . Com'on guys ! jacques Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hunter Posted July 3, 2005 Share Posted July 3, 2005 Wonderful photos, Jacques, thanks for sharing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted July 3, 2005 Share Posted July 3, 2005 No opinion for the line of recipients of the spanish cross with diamonds ? Well, I give you mine, from left to right:Bertram, Schlichting, Harder, M?lders, Schellmann, Oesau, ? , Harlinghausen, Wolff ? .These name have to be confirmed with the dates of return to germany.Here is another pics showing the same guys, during the same ceremony but to a different place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted July 3, 2005 Share Posted July 3, 2005 Martin HARLINGHAUSEN in the center Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Temple-West Posted July 3, 2005 Author Share Posted July 3, 2005 jacques,There's always been the question about von Thoma, did he receive the SC wih B, or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted July 3, 2005 Share Posted July 3, 2005 jacques,There's always been the question about von Thoma, did he receive the SC wih B, or not?←Ah, Ah ! I was waiting for such a question. Some books, among them early one, gives 28 recipients, other 27 . But none of them give the name of von Thoma. In my opinion he didn't received the spanish cross with diamonds but only the gold one. Bill Stump (RIP) shown us a controversial document which in my opinion is a fake.During the ceremony in Hamburg, von Thoma is closed to von Funck who received the gold cross. In my opinion, according to my experience in the Army, if he had been awarded the diamonds one, he should have been placed at the beginning of the line, close to von Richthofen and not at the end, even though he was not from the LW. During an award ceremony, the decorations are awarded in the order of the decoration and of the recipients rank. what's bother is that von Funck has nothing to do at the end of the line May be some of you have more information about that. I'm still looking for a clear pic showing von Thoma wearing his spanish cross jacques Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 Reinhardt SEILER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 Joachim Schlichting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 Wilhelm BALTHASARHe received the spanish cross with diamonds later, around 20 June, together with Galland. He gave back his gold one.Note that he is wearing the ribbon for the "Medalla Militar". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 Hey ! Am I alone to post pics on this thread ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 Hey ! Am I alone to post pics on this thread ? ←Sure, you own ALL of them, Jacques This is one of the best threads about Spanish Crosses, i have ever seen. Keep them coming, guys.Gerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 J Temple is at the origin of this thread, thanks to him !unfortunatly I do not have a pic of all the recipients, but I hope that somebody do !Here is Haro HARDER, blurry pic from a period book. May be here is a better one somewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Williamson Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 Re von Thoma, all veterans stories have to be taken with a "pich of salt" of course but I remember back around the early 1970s a friend of mine had an antique shop. A vet came in and sold him some stuff which if I recall correctly was reputedly taken from von Thoma when he surrendered . Amongst the items ( again I am working from a 30+ year old memory,) were a Generals shoulder strap, collar patch and a beautiful CEJ Spanish Cross in Gold. All the items were 100% original, no doubt of that. Whether the story can be believed is another matter, but the old guy would have no reason to make the story up especially as the price he asked for them was, I recall, very cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 Re von Thoma, all veterans stories have to be taken with a "pich of salt" of course but I remember back around the early 1970s a friend of mine had an antique shop. A vet came in and sold him some stuff which if I recall correctly was reputedly taken from von Thoma when he surrendered . Amongst the items ( again I am working from a 30+ year old memory,) were a Generals shoulder strap, collar patch and a beautiful CEJ Spanish Cross in Gold. All the items were 100% original, no doubt of that. Whether the story can be believed is another matter, but the old guy would have no reason to make the story up especially as the price he asked for them was, I recall, very cheap.←Thanks Gordon for this information. I do think that some good portraits of von Thoma do exist, showing his SC, we have just to find them here is Oskar HENRICIjacques Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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