Stijn David Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 Hello, Here is a pictrue from the personal archive, as Francois is posting some real nice things i thought it is my turn again.Pictured are 2 brotehrs, the real fun thing in this picture is that 2 oddity's can be vieuwed who are not the norm, name them and lets learn and share knowledge. Cordial greetings, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K. Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 WOW! Nice picture of the ultra rare Glider Pilots badge (version with the unusually large eagle)! Thanks for sharing.Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darrell Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 Is that a Cholm Shield on that fellows arm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 Nice shot of the 'big-eagle' glider badge and Cholm Shield (without backing) - likely attached to K.G.z.b.V 172 during the battle. Odd pommel on his dagger - doesn't look like a LW dagger pommel to me.Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stijn David Posted December 12, 2006 Author Share Posted December 12, 2006 Hello, Oh well => correct as far as the Glider pilots badge is concerned, this is indeed a Large eagle one in wear.There is more and it is indeed a Cholmschield on its arm, but waht more can be said about that one Cordial greetings, ps: here is a larger scan from the Glider badge, etc ... (not the sharpest but it serves its purpose ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jos Le Conté Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 Rare pic,nice...Shield is pinned directly through the sleeve..Jos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stijn David Posted December 13, 2006 Author Share Posted December 13, 2006 Hello, It is indeed absolutely corretc that the shield is pinned directly toward sthe sleeve of his uniform, but aren't you guys wondering why it is so shiny? Please explain me why you think is so. It is a very important reason and this picture (ther eis a serie ) is part of the proof, common => lets get those brains working Cordial greetings, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jos Le Conté Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Maybe his flightsuit/jacket rubbed the shield clean.....,but that's probably too simple,....when saying shiny I think of a mirror, maybe he used it as a signal mirror,something I would do to survive ...Jos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stijn David Posted December 13, 2006 Author Share Posted December 13, 2006 Hello, Good theory Jos, but not a correct answer So it must be something else Cordial greetings, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Temple-West Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Is it that the shield was added to the photo at a later date? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stijn David Posted December 13, 2006 Author Share Posted December 13, 2006 Hehehe ... Another good theory => however thats also not the real reason. Well as to keep it fun, i will wait one more day and will share the real reason for the shiny shield with you guys when lets say 2 more plausible explanations are given Cordial greetings, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Temple-West Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 How about... The photo was taken on the day the shield was awarded, and his brother was at the ceremony. Would the second 'oddity' be that he wears the ground assault badge? Unusual for flight crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stijn David Posted December 13, 2006 Author Share Posted December 13, 2006 (edited) Hi John, A good remark but not correct as far as the Cholmshield concerns. The remark on the Lw. ground assault badge is correct, but this is a badge that can be often encountered with Glider related personel. This Soldier was involved in teh Cholm battle as the shield depicts. So most of these guys where involved a multiple ground combat days or the few that did not earn enough days did often get it while they where wounded in that battle. A Glider crew that was in Cholm and did not earn the ground assualt badge was very late (lets say during the last few days of the battle - 2,3, 4 or 5 may 1942) in flying in - and it is proven at this point that gliders did land in Cholm untill 10 may 1942 !!! (iff you want to read the proof : the check the booklet "Verleihungsurkunden zum Cholmschild .... http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=9942 " as number of combat days was not sufficient, but then there where multiple other actionfields where he could gather the needed points iff he did survive long enough.So lets get one more opinion and i will reveal the real reason of the shiny shield !!! Thank you for making this a fun thread (at least for me) Edited December 13, 2006 by Stijn David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jos Le Conté Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Maybe the shield is a field construction without the usual detail...?Jos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stijn David Posted December 13, 2006 Author Share Posted December 13, 2006 (edited) Hello, OK, then i must hold my promise. The reason why this shield is so shiny is because it is indeed not the official awarded type (Iron - 3 prongs). This is the shieldtype with 2 prongs (Buntmetal with heavy plating) that is normally used for Photoalbums and is found in a few legacy's. This is also the shield that this soldier did wear, so he was offically entitled to wear the Cholmschield but did prefer to wear on his full dress a unofficial shield (read not award piece). Be aware that this picture (or serie) is the only real pictural proof at this point that such shields where also worn. Cordial greetings, Edited December 13, 2006 by Stijn David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 Any chance of a close-up of the area around his dagger pommel?Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stijn David Posted December 15, 2006 Author Share Posted December 15, 2006 (edited) Ask and they shall receive ..... Here is the requested close up from the Pommel => looking forward what your findings are about that !!Cordial greetings, Edited December 15, 2006 by Stijn David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Temple-West Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 Looks like an army pommel. Certainly not Luftwaffe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 (edited) Thanks for the additional close-up. Probably just the light playing tricks; but from what is visible, it does look a bit odd for a LW dagger.Scott Edited December 15, 2006 by Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Lipps Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 I'm going to have to say Luftwaffe on the dagger. The Heer dagger doesn't have a "nipple" on the top of the pommel like the Luft does. I think it's just the light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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