bigjarofwasps Posted July 16, 2005 Posted July 16, 2005 Grand Lodges(Individual Lodges under the Grand Lodgeof Ireland or the Grand Lodge of Scotlandare added by request and are shownindented under the relevant Grand Lodge) United Grand Lodge of EnglandLibrary and Museum of Freemasonry, LondonMQ Magazine (Official magazine of the UGLE)Grand Lodge of IrelandPremier Lodge of Connaught No. 14St. Patrick's Lodge No. 295Cottown Masonic Lodge No. 430St. John's Cairncastle Lodge No. 788Grand Lodge of ScotlandLodge Mother Kilwinning No. 0Lodge Dumfries Kilwinning No. 53Lodge Stirling Royal Arch No. 76The Portobello Lodge No. 226Lodge Hope of Kurrachee No. 337Lodge Abercromby No. 531Lodge St Bryde No. 579Lodge St John Corstorphine No. 788Lodge Wallace St. Hugh No. 1212Lodge Almondale No. 1658 Metropolitan Grand LodgeLondon Freemasonry Lodge of Industry No. 186Lion and Lamb Lodge No. 192Lodge of Unions No. 256Westbourne Lodge No. 733Whittington Lodge No. 862Grosvenor Lodge No. 1257Duke of Edinburgh Lodge No. 1259Stanhope Lodge No. 1269Quatuor Coronati Lodge No. 2076Drury Lane Lodge No. 2127Galen Lodge No. 2394Woodgrange Lodge No. 2409Earl Amherst Lodge No. 3230Old Cliftonian Lodge No. 3340Old Wellingtonian Lodge No. 3404Old Malburian Lodge No. 3533Old Epsomian Lodge No. 3561United Empire Lodge No. 3868Old Haileyburian and ISC Lodge No. 3912Old Uppinghamian Lodge No. 4227Old Owens' Lodge No. 4440Old Harrovian Lodge No. 4653Old Lancing Lodge No. 4660Carmarthenshire Lodge No. 4664Hanwell Lodge No. 4676Loyalty United Lodge No. 4931Marcus Vitruvius Lodge No. 4985Finchley Lodge No. 5031Old Rossallian Lodge No. 5042Old Radleian Lodge No. 5200Stronde Lodge No. 5715Old Tauntonian Lodge No. 5735Old Olavians' Lodge No. 5758Eastfield Lodge No. 5804Portcullis Lodge No. 6085Lodge of Good Intention No. 7087Royal Air Force Lodge No. 7335Old Foresters' Lodge No. 7726Millfield Lodge No. 9669 Berkshire Saint John's Lodge No. 795Abbey Lodge No. 945 Bristol Royal Clarence Lodge No. 68Beaufort Lodge No. 103Royal Sussex Lodge of Hospitality No. 187Moira Lodge of Honour No. 326Colston Lodge No. 610Jerusalem Lodge No. 686Canynges Lodge No. 1388Saint Vincent Lodge No. 1404Powell Lodge No. 2257Whitson Lodge No. 2943St Augustine Lodge No. 3108St Stephen Lodge No. 3145Robert Thorne Lodge No. 3663Cabot Lodge No. 3884Peace Lodge No. 3992Dolphin Lodge No. 4464Redcliffe Lodge No. 4503St Nicholas Lodge No. 4561Lodge of Virtue and Industry No. 4701Semper Fidelis Lodge No. 5052Baily Lodge No. 5239Chatterton Lodge No. 5386Saint Paul Lodge No. 6400Anchor Lodge No. 6502Temple Lodge No. 6673Castle Lodge No. 6688Francis Rawdon Lodge No. 6726Burnett Lodge No. 6789Saint Katharine Lodge No. 7051Lodge of Harmony No. 7127Brunel Lodge No. 7356Lodge of Unity No. 7401Bristol Installed Masters Lodge No. 8168Bristol Patrons Lodge No. 9522Matthew Lodge No. 9688 Buckinghamshire Bulwer Lodge of Cairo No. 1068Hundred of Burnham Lodge No. 5568 Cheshire Lodge of St John No. 104Domville Lodge No. 4647Oaklands Lodge No. 5356 Cornwall Godolphin Lodge No. 7790The Cornishman Lodge No. 9350 Cumberland & Westmorland Creighton Lodge No. 8071 Derbyshire St Thomas Lodge No. 2583Dale Abbey Lodge No. 5603Lutudarum Lodge No. 9363Engineers' Lodge No. 9493 Devonshire St John's Lodge No. 328Loyal Lodge of Industry No. 421Sir Joshua Reynolds Lodge No. 4782Lord Roborough Lodge No. 5789Lodge of the Seven Hills No. 6857Bishop Surtees Lodge No. 8497The Scout Lodge No. 9783 Durham Sunderland Lodge No. 4114Conside Lodge No. 7179Tower Lodge No. 7292Lodge of Loyalty No. 8635Sportsman's Lodge No. 9440Queen Street Masonic Heritage Centre East Lancashire Old Mancunians Lodge No. 3140Ribblesdale Lodge No. 3393Internet Lodge No. 9659 East Kent Macartney Lodge No. 3283Globe and Laurel Lodge No. 4657 Essex Philbrick Lodge No. 2255Thomas Ralling Lodge No. 2508Seven Kings Lodge No. 2749Comrades Lodge No. 2976Nore Lodge No. 3610Epping Forest Lodge No. 4263Cranbrook Lodge No. 4609Stanford-le-Hope Lodge No. 5217Lodge of Fraternity No. 5916Holland on Sea Lodge No. 6639Tudor Lodge No. 6947Earlham Lodge No. 7266Castle Point Lodge No. 9122Saffron Walden Masonic Hall Gloucestershire Lodge of True Friendship No. 218Richard Whittington Lodge No. 7534 Hampshire &Isle of White Needles Lodge No. 2838Farnborough Masonic Centre Hertfordshire Hertford Lodge No. 403Hertfordshire Regiment Lodge No. 4537Icknield Lodge No. 4670Old Albanian Lodge No. 4999Eastgate Lodge No. 6694Goffs Oak Lodge No. 7169Cedars Park Lodge No. 8206Daneswood Lodge No. 9087 Isle of Man St Maughold Lodge No. 1075 Middlesex Eastcote Lodge No. 5515Old Hamptonian Lodge No. 5730St Patrick's Lodge No. 5742Prince Michael of Kent Lodge No. 9120 Northamptonshire andHuntingdonshire Kingsley Lodge No. 2431Grey Friars Lodge No. 4990John Pyel Lodge No. 5195Heigham Lodge No. 8486Pro Musica Lodge No. 9547Grand Junction Lodge No. 9775 Northumberland Lodge Temperance No. 2557Legion Lodge No. 8634 Nottinghamshire Pinner Lodge No. 3300 Oxfordshire Caversham Lodge No. 3831Cadogan Lodge No. 8965 Caversham Masonic Centre Somerset Royal Cumberland Lodge No. 41Unanimity and Sincerity Lodge No. 261Love and Honour Lodge No. 285The Lodge of Brotherly Love No. 329Benevolent Lodge No. 446Royal Somerset Lodge No. 973Nyanza Lodge No. 1197Lodge of Agriculture No. 1199St Kew Lodge No. 1222King Alfred Lodge No. 3169Connaught Lodge No. 3573Somerset Masters Lodge No. 3746Wessex Lodge No. 4093St Alphege Lodge No. 4095Severn Lodge No. 4399Tyntesfield Lodge No. 4494Alfred and Guthrum Lodge No. 4535Admiral Blake Lodge No. 4692Tennyson Lodge No. 4947Gordano Lodge No. 6244St Lukes Lodge No. 6540Priory Lodge No. 6913Queens College Lodge No. 6988Elizabethan Lodge No. 7296St Dunstans Lodge No. 7973Forest of Mendip Lodge No. 8019Athelstan Lodge No. 9033Cornucopia Lodge No. 9043Sir Thomas de Cheddre Lodge No. 9188St Cecilia Lodge No. 9341Tivoli Lodge No. 9417Olympian Lodge No. 9703Sylvanus Lodge No. 9741 South Wales, Eastern Division Tennant Lodge No. 1992West Glamorgan Lodge No. 5291Ystradyfodwg Lodge No. 7638Ynys Lodge No. 8274Lodge of Enterprise No. 8757Wenallt Lodge No. 9082 South Wales, Western Division Loyal Welsh Lodge No. 378 Staffordshire Lodge of Honour No. 526Queeselet Lodge No. 6887Aldridge Lodge No. 7921Robert Mummery Lodge No. 8331 Surrey Purley Lodge No. 3136Old Epsomian Lodge No. 3561Coveham Lodge No. 4212Burstow Lodge No. 4376Oak Tree Lodge No. 9408 Sussex Lodge of Union No. 38Hova Ecclesia Lodge No. 1466Sackville Lodge No. 1619Gordon Lodge No. 1726South Down Lodge No. 1797Burrell Lodge No. 1829Stanford Lodge No. 1947Adur Lodge No. 2187Royal Pavilion Lodge No. 4307Sussex Services Lodge No. 5906Regency Lodge No. 6349Royal Sovereign Light Lodge No. 6630Meeching Lodge No. 7001Eastbourne Lodge No. 7057Wayfarers Lodge No. 7995Arthur Jolly Lodge No. 8102Hamelesham Lodge No. 8243Bishop Edward Story Lodge No. 8256 Warwickshire St. Paul's Lodge No. 43Athol Lodge No. 74Elkington Lodge No. 1016Saint Alphege Lodge No. 1431Tudor Lodge No. 1792Hertford Lodge No. 3208Murdoch Lodge No. 3480Mozart Lodge No. 3735Forest of Arden Lodge No. 3826Lodge of Amity No. 3845Aston Old Edwardian Lodge No. 3857Lodge of Felicity No. 4166Warwickshire Installed Masters Lodge No. 4538Lodge of Perseverance No. 4622Federation Lodge No. 4807University of Birmingham Lodge No. 5628Kenilworth Lodge No. 6939Heart of England Lodge No. 6549Kenilworth Lodge No. 6939Old Veseyan Lodge No. 7924Lodge of Warwick No. 8011University of Aston Lodge No. 8305Lodge of Perception No. 8492Heartland Lodge No. 8990Lodge of Academe No. 9377 West Kent Cornwallis Lodge No. 1107Lullingstone Lodge No. 1837Greenhythe Lodge No. 5449Crayford Lodge No. 6336Lodge of Courage No. 8957 West Lancashire Lodge of Unanimity No. 113Downshire Lodge No. 594Clifton Lodge No. 703Marquis of Lorne Lodge No. 1354Toxteth Lodge No. 1356Hamer Lodge No. 1393Blackpool Lodge No. 1476Lodge of Emulation No. 1505Marlborough Lodge No. 1620Wilbraham Lodge No. 1713Makerfield Lodge No. 2155Stanley of Preston Lodge No. 2600St John's Lodge No. 2825Lilford Lodge No. 3022Lancastrian Lodge No. 3631Progress Lodge No. 4120Rectitude Lodge of Blackpool No. 4122Blackpool Lodge of Sincerity No. 4175Lodge of Valour No. 4322Dormer Lodge No. 4389Atherton Lodge No. 4488Acacia Lodge No. 4512Fraternal Lodge No. 4531Ribble Lodge No. 4558Rodney Lodge No. 4625Leigh Lodge No. 4744Symphony Lodge No. 4924Ashlar Lodge No. 5154Broughton Lodge No. 5437Winckley Lodge No. 5438Jubilee Lodge No. 5555Anchorsholme Lodge No. 5854Blackpool Lodge of Integrity No. 5864Mimosa Lodge of Blackpool No. 6047Lodge of Probity No. 6184Lodge of Truth No. 6235Lodge of Benevolence No. 6340Ribbleton Lodge No. 6386Halcyon Lodge No. 6500Blackpool Lodge of Tranquillity No. 6544Emblem Lodge No. 6727Melita Lodge No. 6783Kilgrimol Lodge No. 6851Lodge Amounderness No. 7105Blackpool Lodge of Loyalty No. 7332Blenheim Lodge No. 7519Saturnian No. 7563Tudor Rose Lodge No. 7590Wyre Lodge No. 7704Setantia Lodge of Installed Masters No. 7755Blainscough Lodge No. 8532Ingol Lodge of St. Margaret No. 8544Sovereign's Peace Lodge No. 8911Broadwater Lodge No. 9027Furness and South Lakeland Group of LodgesLancaster Group of LodgesLeigh Group of LodgesPreston Group of LodgesSouth Blackpool Group of LodgesWarrington Group of LodgesSouth Fylde Group of LodgesWellington Group of LodgesThe Column Newsletter (based on Leyland Group Newsletter) Wiltshire Chaloner Lodge No. 2644Methuen Lodge No. 8692 Worcestershire Masefield Lodge No. 2034Francis Davies Lodge No. 5035 Yorkshire, North & East Ridings Humber Lodge No. 57Londesborough Lodge No. 734Hull Old Grammarians Lodge No. 5129 Yorkshire, West Riding Huddersfield Lodge No. 290Lodge of Prince Frederick No. 307Lodge of the Three Graces No. 408Lodge of Connaught and Truth No. 521Lodge of Friendship No. 750Victoria Lodge No. 2669Regent Lodge No. 2856Howley Lodge No. 5012Stonegate Lodge No. 6118
bigjarofwasps Posted July 16, 2005 Author Posted July 16, 2005 North Wales Lodges384 St. David's Lodge 597 The Lodge of St. Cybi 606 Segontium Lodge 755 The Lodge Of St. Tudno 998 Welchpool Lodge 1113 Anglesea Lodge 1143 Royal Denbigh Lodge 1336 Square And Compass Lodge 1369 Bala Lodge 1477 Sir Watkin Lodge 1488 St. Eleth Lodge 1509 Madoc Lodge 1582 St. Idloes Lodge 1583 Corbet Lodge 1594 Cedewain Lodge 1674 Caradoc Lodge 1849 Royal Leek Lodge 1988 Mawddach Lodge 2423 St. Mark's Lodge 2569 St. Trillo Lodge 3273 St. Deiniol Lodge 3669 Moelwyn Lodge 3753 Basingwerk Lodge 3801 The Dee Side Lodge 3840 St. Melyd's Lodge 3876 Wynnstay Lodge 4086 Cefni Lodge 4233 Bromfield Lodge 4264 Memory Lodge 4417 Penmaenmawr Lodge 4424 Sincerity Lodge 4433 St.Tudwal's Lodge 4448 St. Collen's Lodge 4533 Gabriel Goodman Lodge 4544 Flint Lodge 4721 Elwy Lodge 4741 Saint Grwst Lodge 4801 The Lodge Of St. Hilary 4916 Denbigh Castle Lodge 5323 St. Cyngar Lodge 5347 Beaumaris Lodge 5523 Cambrensis Lodge 5585 Arfon Lodge 5636 Yale Lodge 5678 Castell Crogen Lodge 5773 Old Castles Lodge 5996 Aberconwy Lodge 6034 St. Christopher Lodge 6055 Wepre Lodge 6110 Trearddur Lodge 6111 St. Elbod Lodge 6140 Hawarden Lodge 6210 Kenyon Lodge 6321 Lodge Of St. Cystenin 6322 Madryn Lodge 6353 Dyffryn Alun Lodge 6438 Abergele Lodge 6534 Gwynedd Lodge 6536 Sant Myllin Lodge 6660 Offa Lodge 6715 Wrexhamian Lodge 6733 Sant Beuno Lodge 6898 Plas Teg Lodge 6944 Twrcelyn Lodge 6958 Pilgrim Lodge 7020 Prestatyn Lodge 7061 St. Mary's Lodge 7158 Foryd Lodge 7249 Lodge Of Saint Peblig 7355 Powis Lodge 7361 Berwyn Lodge 7384 Pennant Lodge 7407 Derwen Lodge 7447 Ewloe Lodge 7585 Criccieth Lodge 7675 Colwyn Lodge 7681 Kelsterton Lodge 7703 Great Orme Lodge 7737 Lodge Of Rhuddlan Castle 7772 St. Kentigern's Lodge 7910 Coleshill Lodge 7946 Golftyn Lodge 7985 Mossley Lodge 8034 St. Asaph Lodge 8059 Downing Lodge 8112 Farfield Lodge 8134 Dyfrdwy Lodge 8154 Buckley Lodge 8163 Pen-y-Ddraig Lodge 8232 Mona Lodge 8257 Peniarth Lodge 8460 Croes Ati 8577 St. Catherine 8580 Dinorben Lodge 8615 North Wales Lodge of I.M. 8676 Clwyd Lodge of I.M. 8772 Maesgwyn Lodge of I.M. 8865 North Wales Lodge of P.G.S. 8883 Bistre Lodge 8887 Hafren Lodge of I.M. 8933 Erddig Lodge 8941 Mathafarn Lodge 8949 Vardre Lodge 8951 Valle Crucis Lodge 8971 Bonover Lodge 8982 Gredington Lodge 9056 Llannerch Lodge 9083 Custodes Pacis 9124 Pegasus Lodge 9150 Mold Lodge 9219 Connah's Quay Lodge 9243 Dyffryn Clwyd Lodge of I.M. 9252 Caer Estyn Lodge 9399 Old Ruthinian LodgeAlphabetical Name to NumberNumber Lodge 5996 Aberconwy Lodge 6438 Abergele Lodge 1113 Anglesea Lodge 5585 Arfon Lodge 369 Bala Lodge 3753 Basingwerk Lodge 5347 Beaumaris Lodge 7361 Berwyn Lodge 8883 Bistre Lodge 8971 Bonover Lodge 4233 Bromfield Lodge 8154 Buckley Lodge 9252 Caer Estyn Lodge 5523 Cambrensis Lodge 1674 Caradoc Lodge 5678 Castell Crogen Lodge 1594 Cedewain Lodge 4086 Cefni Lodge 8676 Clwyd Lodge of I.M. 7910 Coleshill Lodge 7675 Colwyn Lodge 9219 Connah's Quay Lodge 1583 Corbet Lodge 7585 Criccieth Lodge 8460 Croes Ati 9083 Custodes Pacis 4916 Denbigh Castle Lodge 7407 Derwen Lodge 8580 Dinorben Lodge 8059 Downing Lodge 6353 Dyffryn Alun Lodge 9243 Dyffryn Clwyd Lodge of I.M. 8134 Dyfrdwy Lodge 4721 Elwy Lodge 8933 Erddig Lodge 7447 Ewloe Lodge 8112 Farfield Lodge 4544 Flint Lodge 7158 Foryd Lodge 4533 Gabriel Goodman Lodge 7946 Golftyn Lodge 7703 Great Orme Lodge 8982 Gredington Lodge 6534 Gwynedd Lodge 8887 Hafren Lodge of I.M. 6140 Hawarden Lodge 7681 Kelsterton Lodge 6210 Kenyon Lodge 9056 Llannerch Lodge 1509 Madoc Lodge 6322 Madryn Lodge 8772 Maesgwyn Lodge of I.M. 8941 Mathafarn Lodge 1988 Mawddach Lodge 4264 Memory Lodge 3669 Moelwyn Lodge 9150 Mold Lodge 8232 Mona Lodge 7985 Mossley Lodge Number Name 8615 North Wales Lodge of I.M. 8865 North Wales Lodge of P.G.S. 660 Offa Lodge 5773 Old Castles Lodge 9399 Old Ruthinian Lodge 124 Pegasus Lodge 8257 Peniarth Lodge 4417 Penmaenmawr Lodge 7384 Pennant Lodge 8163 Pen-y-Ddraig Lodge 6958 Pilgrim Lodge 355 Powis Lodge 7020 Prestatyn Lodge 7737 Rhuddlan Castle(Lodge of) 1143 Royal Denbigh Lodge 1849 Royal Leek Lodge 4741 Saint Grwst Lodge 7249 Saint Peblig(Lodge Of ) 6733 Sant Beuno Lodge 6536 Sant Myllin Lodge 0606 Segontium Lodge 4424 Sincerity Lodge 1477 Sir Watkin Lodge 1336 Square And Compass Lodge 8034 St. Asaph Lodge 8577 St. Catherine 6034 St. Christopher Lodge 4448 St. Collen's Lodge 323 St. Cyngar Lodge 6321 St. Cystenin(Lodge Of ) 0384 St. David's Lodge 3273 St. Deiniol Lodge 6111 St. Elbod Lodge 1488 St. Eleth Lodge 1582 St. Idloes Lodge 7772 St. Kentigern's Lodge 2423 St. Mark's Lodge 7061 St. Mary's Lodge 3840 St. Melyd's Lodge 2569 St. Trillo Lodge 4433 St.Tudwal's Lodge 3801 The Dee Side Lodge 0597 The Lodge of St. Cybi 4801 The Lodge Of St. Hilary 0755 The Lodge Of St. Tudno 6110 Trearddur Lodge 6944 Twrcelyn Lodge 8951 Valle Crucis Lodge 8949 Vardre Lodge 0998 Welchpool Lodge 6055 Wepre Lodge 6715 Wrexhamian Lodge 3876 Wynnstay Lodge 5636 Yale Lodge
Guest Rick Research Posted August 20, 2005 Posted August 20, 2005 Is there a distinctive coat of arms/crest design for each of the individual lodges? I have recently encountered a mass of 1919-1946 British Masonic badges for Stewards at various Royal Masonic Benevolent Institutions and Masonic Institutions for Boys/Girls which each have different crests for the same "institution" designations, and no numbers. So I wonder if the "institutions" were local, rather than national, and the CREST identifies which one, rather than a number?The only one which DOES bear a number stamped on back among all the maker's silver gilt hallmarks is "3106," which does not appear to be a Lodge number from the lists above, so a specific recipient's serial number? I have shown some of these to BJOW, but don't want to post scans here since they are for sale on a website.
sptregalia Posted March 8, 2006 Posted March 8, 2006 (edited) Grand Lodges(Individual Lodges under the Grand Lodgeof Ireland or the Grand Lodge of Scotlandare added by request and are shownindented under the relevant Grand Lodge) United Grand Lodge of EnglandLibrary and Museum of Freemasonry, LondonMQ Magazine (Official magazine of the UGLE)Grand Lodge of IrelandetcAdd to West Lancashire---Crosby Lodge 3714[Edited for brevity - WM5806] Edited March 19, 2006 by wm5806
bigjarofwasps Posted March 8, 2006 Author Posted March 8, 2006 Many thanks, please feel free to add more Lodges, it would be nice to cover the whole country, and maybe the world?
stephen Posted March 8, 2006 Posted March 8, 2006 Hi,As an Ayrshire man I noted the inclusion of the Kilwinning lodge, As a curio I would like to add that Kilwinning though not an attractive town has a nice ruined abbey but for years the only post card available for the town was the an image of the inauspicious door of the ?Number nothing?. As a side issue I have an old Masonic hand book and I believe it to be really quite old is there any way of dating these things-I have always been to afraid to ask.
wm5806 Posted March 8, 2006 Posted March 8, 2006 As a side issue I have an old Masonic hand book and I believe it to be really quite old is there any way of dating these things-I have always been to afraid to ask.Hi StephenIf you would like to post the details (title, author, publisher etc), you may find someone on the board who knows about such things.Kindest regards
stephen Posted March 8, 2006 Posted March 8, 2006 Hi,I was thinking of that but I was always apprehensive that I would be dragged away and found hanging under a bridge or eaten alive by the ?Masonic Goat? in Kilwinning-and there is one?On a more serious note the book turned up when my father sold our old house in the early 80?s, another curio which turned up was the London times from 1805 reporting the battle of Trafalgar, However I believe the book is of that sort of vintage, my fathers family were masons both in terms of their trouser habit and I terms of their vocation at least until the 1820?s when the family fortunes took a more professional turn. I think I have the book and will scan some images and post asap.
wm5806 Posted March 12, 2006 Posted March 12, 2006 Is there a distinctive coat of arms/crest design for each of the individual lodges? I have recently encountered a mass of 1919-1946 British Masonic badges for Stewards at various Royal Masonic Benevolent Institutions and Masonic Institutions for Boys/Girls which each have different crests for the same "institution" designations, and no numbers. So I wonder if the "institutions" were local, rather than national, and the CREST identifies which one, rather than a number?The only one which DOES bear a number stamped on back among all the maker's silver gilt hallmarks is "3106," which does not appear to be a Lodge number from the lists above, so a specific recipient's serial number? I have shown some of these to BJOW, but don't want to post scans here since they are for sale on a website.Hi RickSorry, I just noticed that no-one had replied to your original post. Working on the principle of being "better late than never", I shall try to address your points:- Yes, many Lodges may have their own crest, logo, design or what ever you wish to call it. Often this will be displayed on their jewels, banner and letterhead.- The crests on Stewards jewels are often those of the English/Welsh Masonic Province (similar I suppose to your states) which is organising the Festival for that year. The Festivals were massive fundraising campaigns to support the Masonic charities, each Province taking a turn to rganise them. The Institutions, as you rightly guessed, were national but the emblems on the jewel were local - if that makes sense?- the Lodge which bears the number 3106 is Thoresby Lodge, meeting in Nottingham. However, would have to see the jewel to best decide whether it was the Lodge number, or something else.Kindest (belated) regardsWM5806
Mike Martin Posted March 19, 2006 Posted March 19, 2006 Sorry if I'm being a bit dim here, wouldn't be the first time I don't really understand what you're trying to do but you might be better off just compiling links to each of the Provincial Grand Lodge websites, most of which have their subordinate Lodges listed.Mike
stephen Posted March 24, 2006 Posted March 24, 2006 Hi,I was thinking of that but I was always apprehensive that I would be dragged away and found hanging under a bridge or eaten alive by the ?Masonic Goat? in Kilwinning-and there is one?On a more serious note the book turned up when my father sold our old house in the early 80?s, another curio which turned up was the London times from 1805 reporting the battle of Trafalgar, However I believe the book is of that sort of vintage, my fathers family were masons both in terms of their trouser habit and I terms of their vocation at least until the 1820?s when the family fortunes took a more professional turn. I think I have the book and will scan some images and post asap.Only joking anbout the goat, however I foun the book at long last and here are some scans. Can it be dated by the images or publisher? Do you chaps need some more images?
stephen Posted March 24, 2006 Posted March 24, 2006 This to me is just a curio, I know my fathers family have resided in deepest darkest Ayrshire since about 1750-Ireland before that. I also know that my grandfather was a mason, but as he was in India for the best part of thirty years it is unlikely to be his. His Grandfather was a 'a master stone mason' and I presume a masonic chap as well. The house was ours from the 1790's till 1981. This is to give anyone out there a starter for 10.Cheers in anticpation of your help.
stephen Posted March 24, 2006 Posted March 24, 2006 Oh and what on earth does it all mean? or do I have to join.
wm5806 Posted March 24, 2006 Posted March 24, 2006 (edited) Hi StephenDifficult to date precisely, as you can imagine. However, I've narrowed it down a fair bit:- The book itself is generally regarded as having been written by Avery Allyn.- Various printing dates, earliest found was 1831, published by John Clarke in Philadelphia- Other editions: -Shebbear, 1835 and 1848, Devon -William Gowans, 1865, New York -Reeves & Turner, 1896, Strand- William Reeves was recorded as being at 83 Charing Cross Road at least between 1907 - 1930.As it was Reeves AND Turner in 1896, I would suggest it was published AFTER 1896, and maybe as late as 1930 or after that even.Hope that's some use, sorry not to have been more precise. Does that fit in with how old the book 'feels'?RegardsWM5806 Edited March 24, 2006 by wm5806
stephen Posted March 25, 2006 Posted March 25, 2006 (edited) HiThanks for that I am, I admit, suprised that book appears to be that young I have several books from the md 19th Century and one or two from the late 18th and all seem in much more robust condition that this chap. Everyday is a school day but I must admit that the book does 'feel' older. I have many books from the mid 19thc and a few from the late 18th and almost all feel more robust than this one. The foxing and general conditon of the paper would suggest an earlier publication date but I guess you cannot dispute the facts! Edited March 25, 2006 by stephen
stephen Posted March 27, 2006 Posted March 27, 2006 |Opps tirednees seems to have go the better of me there. What a rubbish edit!
wm5806 Posted March 27, 2006 Posted March 27, 2006 Hi StephenThanks for your reply. Your comments are valuable when you say that the book 'feels' older than that.Perhaps might be worth finding out more about the publishers? William Reeves was recorded as being at 83 Charing Cross Road at least between 1907 - 1930, but what if they also pre-dated the Reeves & Turner partnership?If you can get your hands on a good run of trade directories for London (perhaps something like 'Kelly's') in a big library and track them down, then you might get an earlier date which would fit better with the 'feel'.Sorry not to have been able to provide a definitive answer.Good luck!WM5806
stephen Posted March 27, 2006 Posted March 27, 2006 No that has been really helpful thanks. I guess it might equally be me making assumptions. The book was found with other dated documents in my Grandfathers house, the paper is badly foxed etc. But will follow up your suggestions.I guess your not going to tell me what it's all about???? Will let you know what I find
wm5806 Posted March 27, 2006 Posted March 27, 2006 I guess your not going to tell me what it's all about????I wouldn't know if it was all true anyway, not being in some of the other degrees that it describes.However, you should be aware that some of these 'exposures' are more (in)accurate than others, and I can see some inaccuracies from the scans, so don't take it to heart!If you want to know more you'll have to join!
wm5806 Posted March 27, 2006 Posted March 27, 2006 On a serious note, there are - I believe - some quite distinct differences between various signs and rituals used in Masonry as practised in different parts of the UK, never mind the rest of the world. That being so, what is considered 'correct' here in England might not be recognised at all in certain parts of Scotland.Like the age of the book, there's no definitive answer...
stephen Posted March 27, 2006 Posted March 27, 2006 Really, that, from an outsiders view point is very intersting. I keep making assumptions in this forum and had wrongly assumed that all masons would follow the same rituals. As alluded to in an earlier post I am from Ayrshire and the Masonic 'thing' is, in my mind, really quite prevelant. Apart from the obvious Kilwinning lodge there is a masonic grave yard in Ardrossan/saltcoats and a very strong link with the orange lodge etc so I suppose on reflection there are different associations in the West Coast of Scotland and how masons are viewed-in this case as being a sectarian group.Sorry thinking on my feet here.
sptregalia Posted March 31, 2006 Posted March 31, 2006 Talking of being different.I went to a Demo ceremony performed by,the Oklahoma Masonic Indian Degree Team,in Southport U.K.,last night.Boy was it different.Alan S 3714
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