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Grand Lodges

(Individual Lodges under the Grand Lodge

of Ireland or the Grand Lodge of Scotland

are added by request and are shown

indented under the relevant Grand Lodge)

United Grand Lodge of England

Library and Museum of Freemasonry, London

MQ Magazine (Official magazine of the UGLE)

Grand Lodge of Ireland

Premier Lodge of Connaught No. 14

St. Patrick's Lodge No. 295

Cottown Masonic Lodge No. 430

St. John's Cairncastle Lodge No. 788

Grand Lodge of Scotland

Lodge Mother Kilwinning No. 0

Lodge Dumfries Kilwinning No. 53

Lodge Stirling Royal Arch No. 76

The Portobello Lodge No. 226

Lodge Hope of Kurrachee No. 337

Lodge Abercromby No. 531

Lodge St Bryde No. 579

Lodge St John Corstorphine No. 788

Lodge Wallace St. Hugh No. 1212

Lodge Almondale No. 1658

Metropolitan Grand Lodge

London Freemasonry

Lodge of Industry No. 186

Lion and Lamb Lodge No. 192

Lodge of Unions No. 256

Westbourne Lodge No. 733

Whittington Lodge No. 862

Grosvenor Lodge No. 1257

Duke of Edinburgh Lodge No. 1259

Stanhope Lodge No. 1269

Quatuor Coronati Lodge No. 2076

Drury Lane Lodge No. 2127

Galen Lodge No. 2394

Woodgrange Lodge No. 2409

Earl Amherst Lodge No. 3230

Old Cliftonian Lodge No. 3340

Old Wellingtonian Lodge No. 3404

Old Malburian Lodge No. 3533

Old Epsomian Lodge No. 3561

United Empire Lodge No. 3868

Old Haileyburian and ISC Lodge No. 3912

Old Uppinghamian Lodge No. 4227

Old Owens' Lodge No. 4440

Old Harrovian Lodge No. 4653

Old Lancing Lodge No. 4660

Carmarthenshire Lodge No. 4664

Hanwell Lodge No. 4676

Loyalty United Lodge No. 4931

Marcus Vitruvius Lodge No. 4985

Finchley Lodge No. 5031

Old Rossallian Lodge No. 5042

Old Radleian Lodge No. 5200

Stronde Lodge No. 5715

Old Tauntonian Lodge No. 5735

Old Olavians' Lodge No. 5758

Eastfield Lodge No. 5804

Portcullis Lodge No. 6085

Lodge of Good Intention No. 7087

Royal Air Force Lodge No. 7335

Old Foresters' Lodge No. 7726

Millfield Lodge No. 9669

Berkshire

Saint John's Lodge No. 795

Abbey Lodge No. 945

Bristol

Royal Clarence Lodge No. 68

Beaufort Lodge No. 103

Royal Sussex Lodge of Hospitality No. 187

Moira Lodge of Honour No. 326

Colston Lodge No. 610

Jerusalem Lodge No. 686

Canynges Lodge No. 1388

Saint Vincent Lodge No. 1404

Powell Lodge No. 2257

Whitson Lodge No. 2943

St Augustine Lodge No. 3108

St Stephen Lodge No. 3145

Robert Thorne Lodge No. 3663

Cabot Lodge No. 3884

Peace Lodge No. 3992

Dolphin Lodge No. 4464

Redcliffe Lodge No. 4503

St Nicholas Lodge No. 4561

Lodge of Virtue and Industry No. 4701

Semper Fidelis Lodge No. 5052

Baily Lodge No. 5239

Chatterton Lodge No. 5386

Saint Paul Lodge No. 6400

Anchor Lodge No. 6502

Temple Lodge No. 6673

Castle Lodge No. 6688

Francis Rawdon Lodge No. 6726

Burnett Lodge No. 6789

Saint Katharine Lodge No. 7051

Lodge of Harmony No. 7127

Brunel Lodge No. 7356

Lodge of Unity No. 7401

Bristol Installed Masters Lodge No. 8168

Bristol Patrons Lodge No. 9522

Matthew Lodge No. 9688

Buckinghamshire

Bulwer Lodge of Cairo No. 1068

Hundred of Burnham Lodge No. 5568

Cheshire

Lodge of St John No. 104

Domville Lodge No. 4647

Oaklands Lodge No. 5356

Cornwall

Godolphin Lodge No. 7790

The Cornishman Lodge No. 9350

Cumberland & Westmorland

Creighton Lodge No. 8071

Derbyshire

St Thomas Lodge No. 2583

Dale Abbey Lodge No. 5603

Lutudarum Lodge No. 9363

Engineers' Lodge No. 9493

Devonshire

St John's Lodge No. 328

Loyal Lodge of Industry No. 421

Sir Joshua Reynolds Lodge No. 4782

Lord Roborough Lodge No. 5789

Lodge of the Seven Hills No. 6857

Bishop Surtees Lodge No. 8497

The Scout Lodge No. 9783

Durham

Sunderland Lodge No. 4114

Conside Lodge No. 7179

Tower Lodge No. 7292

Lodge of Loyalty No. 8635

Sportsman's Lodge No. 9440

Queen Street Masonic Heritage Centre

East Lancashire

Old Mancunians Lodge No. 3140

Ribblesdale Lodge No. 3393

Internet Lodge No. 9659

East Kent

Macartney Lodge No. 3283

Globe and Laurel Lodge No. 4657

Essex

Philbrick Lodge No. 2255

Thomas Ralling Lodge No. 2508

Seven Kings Lodge No. 2749

Comrades Lodge No. 2976

Nore Lodge No. 3610

Epping Forest Lodge No. 4263

Cranbrook Lodge No. 4609

Stanford-le-Hope Lodge No. 5217

Lodge of Fraternity No. 5916

Holland on Sea Lodge No. 6639

Tudor Lodge No. 6947

Earlham Lodge No. 7266

Castle Point Lodge No. 9122

Saffron Walden Masonic Hall

Gloucestershire

Lodge of True Friendship No. 218

Richard Whittington Lodge No. 7534

Hampshire &

Isle of White

Needles Lodge No. 2838

Farnborough Masonic Centre

Hertfordshire

Hertford Lodge No. 403

Hertfordshire Regiment Lodge No. 4537

Icknield Lodge No. 4670

Old Albanian Lodge No. 4999

Eastgate Lodge No. 6694

Goffs Oak Lodge No. 7169

Cedars Park Lodge No. 8206

Daneswood Lodge No. 9087

Isle of Man

St Maughold Lodge No. 1075

Middlesex

Eastcote Lodge No. 5515

Old Hamptonian Lodge No. 5730

St Patrick's Lodge No. 5742

Prince Michael of Kent Lodge No. 9120

Northamptonshire and

Huntingdonshire

Kingsley Lodge No. 2431

Grey Friars Lodge No. 4990

John Pyel Lodge No. 5195

Heigham Lodge No. 8486

Pro Musica Lodge No. 9547

Grand Junction Lodge No. 9775

Northumberland

Lodge Temperance No. 2557

Legion Lodge No. 8634

Nottinghamshire

Pinner Lodge No. 3300

Oxfordshire

Caversham Lodge No. 3831

Cadogan Lodge No. 8965

Caversham Masonic Centre

Somerset

Royal Cumberland Lodge No. 41

Unanimity and Sincerity Lodge No. 261

Love and Honour Lodge No. 285

The Lodge of Brotherly Love No. 329

Benevolent Lodge No. 446

Royal Somerset Lodge No. 973

Nyanza Lodge No. 1197

Lodge of Agriculture No. 1199

St Kew Lodge No. 1222

King Alfred Lodge No. 3169

Connaught Lodge No. 3573

Somerset Masters Lodge No. 3746

Wessex Lodge No. 4093

St Alphege Lodge No. 4095

Severn Lodge No. 4399

Tyntesfield Lodge No. 4494

Alfred and Guthrum Lodge No. 4535

Admiral Blake Lodge No. 4692

Tennyson Lodge No. 4947

Gordano Lodge No. 6244

St Lukes Lodge No. 6540

Priory Lodge No. 6913

Queens College Lodge No. 6988

Elizabethan Lodge No. 7296

St Dunstans Lodge No. 7973

Forest of Mendip Lodge No. 8019

Athelstan Lodge No. 9033

Cornucopia Lodge No. 9043

Sir Thomas de Cheddre Lodge No. 9188

St Cecilia Lodge No. 9341

Tivoli Lodge No. 9417

Olympian Lodge No. 9703

Sylvanus Lodge No. 9741

South Wales, Eastern Division

Tennant Lodge No. 1992

West Glamorgan Lodge No. 5291

Ystradyfodwg Lodge No. 7638

Ynys Lodge No. 8274

Lodge of Enterprise No. 8757

Wenallt Lodge No. 9082

South Wales, Western Division

Loyal Welsh Lodge No. 378

Staffordshire

Lodge of Honour No. 526

Queeselet Lodge No. 6887

Aldridge Lodge No. 7921

Robert Mummery Lodge No. 8331

Surrey

Purley Lodge No. 3136

Old Epsomian Lodge No. 3561

Coveham Lodge No. 4212

Burstow Lodge No. 4376

Oak Tree Lodge No. 9408

Sussex

Lodge of Union No. 38

Hova Ecclesia Lodge No. 1466

Sackville Lodge No. 1619

Gordon Lodge No. 1726

South Down Lodge No. 1797

Burrell Lodge No. 1829

Stanford Lodge No. 1947

Adur Lodge No. 2187

Royal Pavilion Lodge No. 4307

Sussex Services Lodge No. 5906

Regency Lodge No. 6349

Royal Sovereign Light Lodge No. 6630

Meeching Lodge No. 7001

Eastbourne Lodge No. 7057

Wayfarers Lodge No. 7995

Arthur Jolly Lodge No. 8102

Hamelesham Lodge No. 8243

Bishop Edward Story Lodge No. 8256

Warwickshire

St. Paul's Lodge No. 43

Athol Lodge No. 74

Elkington Lodge No. 1016

Saint Alphege Lodge No. 1431

Tudor Lodge No. 1792

Hertford Lodge No. 3208

Murdoch Lodge No. 3480

Mozart Lodge No. 3735

Forest of Arden Lodge No. 3826

Lodge of Amity No. 3845

Aston Old Edwardian Lodge No. 3857

Lodge of Felicity No. 4166

Warwickshire Installed Masters Lodge No. 4538

Lodge of Perseverance No. 4622

Federation Lodge No. 4807

University of Birmingham Lodge No. 5628

Kenilworth Lodge No. 6939

Heart of England Lodge No. 6549

Kenilworth Lodge No. 6939

Old Veseyan Lodge No. 7924

Lodge of Warwick No. 8011

University of Aston Lodge No. 8305

Lodge of Perception No. 8492

Heartland Lodge No. 8990

Lodge of Academe No. 9377

West Kent

Cornwallis Lodge No. 1107

Lullingstone Lodge No. 1837

Greenhythe Lodge No. 5449

Crayford Lodge No. 6336

Lodge of Courage No. 8957

West Lancashire

Lodge of Unanimity No. 113

Downshire Lodge No. 594

Clifton Lodge No. 703

Marquis of Lorne Lodge No. 1354

Toxteth Lodge No. 1356

Hamer Lodge No. 1393

Blackpool Lodge No. 1476

Lodge of Emulation No. 1505

Marlborough Lodge No. 1620

Wilbraham Lodge No. 1713

Makerfield Lodge No. 2155

Stanley of Preston Lodge No. 2600

St John's Lodge No. 2825

Lilford Lodge No. 3022

Lancastrian Lodge No. 3631

Progress Lodge No. 4120

Rectitude Lodge of Blackpool No. 4122

Blackpool Lodge of Sincerity No. 4175

Lodge of Valour No. 4322

Dormer Lodge No. 4389

Atherton Lodge No. 4488

Acacia Lodge No. 4512

Fraternal Lodge No. 4531

Ribble Lodge No. 4558

Rodney Lodge No. 4625

Leigh Lodge No. 4744

Symphony Lodge No. 4924

Ashlar Lodge No. 5154

Broughton Lodge No. 5437

Winckley Lodge No. 5438

Jubilee Lodge No. 5555

Anchorsholme Lodge No. 5854

Blackpool Lodge of Integrity No. 5864

Mimosa Lodge of Blackpool No. 6047

Lodge of Probity No. 6184

Lodge of Truth No. 6235

Lodge of Benevolence No. 6340

Ribbleton Lodge No. 6386

Halcyon Lodge No. 6500

Blackpool Lodge of Tranquillity No. 6544

Emblem Lodge No. 6727

Melita Lodge No. 6783

Kilgrimol Lodge No. 6851

Lodge Amounderness No. 7105

Blackpool Lodge of Loyalty No. 7332

Blenheim Lodge No. 7519

Saturnian No. 7563

Tudor Rose Lodge No. 7590

Wyre Lodge No. 7704

Setantia Lodge of Installed Masters No. 7755

Blainscough Lodge No. 8532

Ingol Lodge of St. Margaret No. 8544

Sovereign's Peace Lodge No. 8911

Broadwater Lodge No. 9027

Furness and South Lakeland Group of Lodges

Lancaster Group of Lodges

Leigh Group of Lodges

Preston Group of Lodges

South Blackpool Group of Lodges

Warrington Group of Lodges

South Fylde Group of Lodges

Wellington Group of Lodges

The Column Newsletter (based on Leyland Group Newsletter)

Wiltshire

Chaloner Lodge No. 2644

Methuen Lodge No. 8692

Worcestershire

Masefield Lodge No. 2034

Francis Davies Lodge No. 5035

Yorkshire, North & East Ridings

Humber Lodge No. 57

Londesborough Lodge No. 734

Hull Old Grammarians Lodge No. 5129

Yorkshire, West Riding

Huddersfield Lodge No. 290

Lodge of Prince Frederick No. 307

Lodge of the Three Graces No. 408

Lodge of Connaught and Truth No. 521

Lodge of Friendship No. 750

Victoria Lodge No. 2669

Regent Lodge No. 2856

Howley Lodge No. 5012

Stonegate Lodge No. 6118

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North Wales Lodges

384 St. David's Lodge

597 The Lodge of St. Cybi

606 Segontium Lodge

755 The Lodge Of St. Tudno

998 Welchpool Lodge

1113 Anglesea Lodge

1143 Royal Denbigh Lodge

1336 Square And Compass Lodge

1369 Bala Lodge

1477 Sir Watkin Lodge

1488 St. Eleth Lodge

1509 Madoc Lodge

1582 St. Idloes Lodge

1583 Corbet Lodge

1594 Cedewain Lodge

1674 Caradoc Lodge

1849 Royal Leek Lodge

1988 Mawddach Lodge

2423 St. Mark's Lodge

2569 St. Trillo Lodge

3273 St. Deiniol Lodge

3669 Moelwyn Lodge

3753 Basingwerk Lodge

3801 The Dee Side Lodge

3840 St. Melyd's Lodge

3876 Wynnstay Lodge

4086 Cefni Lodge

4233 Bromfield Lodge

4264 Memory Lodge

4417 Penmaenmawr Lodge

4424 Sincerity Lodge

4433 St.Tudwal's Lodge

4448 St. Collen's Lodge

4533 Gabriel Goodman Lodge

4544 Flint Lodge

4721 Elwy Lodge

4741 Saint Grwst Lodge

4801 The Lodge Of St. Hilary

4916 Denbigh Castle Lodge

5323 St. Cyngar Lodge

5347 Beaumaris Lodge

5523 Cambrensis Lodge

5585 Arfon Lodge

5636 Yale Lodge

5678 Castell Crogen Lodge

5773 Old Castles Lodge

5996 Aberconwy Lodge

6034 St. Christopher Lodge

6055 Wepre Lodge

6110 Trearddur Lodge

6111 St. Elbod Lodge

6140 Hawarden Lodge

6210 Kenyon Lodge

6321 Lodge Of St. Cystenin

6322 Madryn Lodge

6353 Dyffryn Alun Lodge

6438 Abergele Lodge

6534 Gwynedd Lodge

6536 Sant Myllin Lodge

6660 Offa Lodge

6715 Wrexhamian Lodge

6733 Sant Beuno Lodge

6898 Plas Teg Lodge

6944 Twrcelyn Lodge

6958 Pilgrim Lodge

7020 Prestatyn Lodge

7061 St. Mary's Lodge

7158 Foryd Lodge

7249 Lodge Of Saint Peblig

7355 Powis Lodge

7361 Berwyn Lodge

7384 Pennant Lodge

7407 Derwen Lodge

7447 Ewloe Lodge

7585 Criccieth Lodge

7675 Colwyn Lodge

7681 Kelsterton Lodge

7703 Great Orme Lodge

7737 Lodge Of Rhuddlan Castle

7772 St. Kentigern's Lodge

7910 Coleshill Lodge

7946 Golftyn Lodge

7985 Mossley Lodge

8034 St. Asaph Lodge

8059 Downing Lodge

8112 Farfield Lodge

8134 Dyfrdwy Lodge

8154 Buckley Lodge

8163 Pen-y-Ddraig Lodge

8232 Mona Lodge

8257 Peniarth Lodge

8460 Croes Ati

8577 St. Catherine

8580 Dinorben Lodge

8615 North Wales Lodge of I.M.

8676 Clwyd Lodge of I.M.

8772 Maesgwyn Lodge of I.M.

8865 North Wales Lodge of P.G.S.

8883 Bistre Lodge

8887 Hafren Lodge of I.M.

8933 Erddig Lodge

8941 Mathafarn Lodge

8949 Vardre Lodge

8951 Valle Crucis Lodge

8971 Bonover Lodge

8982 Gredington Lodge

9056 Llannerch Lodge

9083 Custodes Pacis

9124 Pegasus Lodge

9150 Mold Lodge

9219 Connah's Quay Lodge

9243 Dyffryn Clwyd Lodge of I.M.

9252 Caer Estyn Lodge

9399 Old Ruthinian Lodge

Alphabetical Name to Number

Number Lodge

5996 Aberconwy Lodge

6438 Abergele Lodge

1113 Anglesea Lodge

5585 Arfon Lodge

369 Bala Lodge

3753 Basingwerk Lodge

5347 Beaumaris Lodge

7361 Berwyn Lodge

8883 Bistre Lodge

8971 Bonover Lodge

4233 Bromfield Lodge

8154 Buckley Lodge

9252 Caer Estyn Lodge

5523 Cambrensis Lodge

1674 Caradoc Lodge

5678 Castell Crogen Lodge

1594 Cedewain Lodge

4086 Cefni Lodge

8676 Clwyd Lodge of I.M.

7910 Coleshill Lodge

7675 Colwyn Lodge

9219 Connah's Quay Lodge

1583 Corbet Lodge

7585 Criccieth Lodge

8460 Croes Ati

9083 Custodes Pacis

4916 Denbigh Castle Lodge

7407 Derwen Lodge

8580 Dinorben Lodge

8059 Downing Lodge

6353 Dyffryn Alun Lodge

9243 Dyffryn Clwyd Lodge of I.M.

8134 Dyfrdwy Lodge

4721 Elwy Lodge

8933 Erddig Lodge

7447 Ewloe Lodge

8112 Farfield Lodge

4544 Flint Lodge

7158 Foryd Lodge

4533 Gabriel Goodman Lodge

7946 Golftyn Lodge

7703 Great Orme Lodge

8982 Gredington Lodge

6534 Gwynedd Lodge

8887 Hafren Lodge of I.M.

6140 Hawarden Lodge

7681 Kelsterton Lodge

6210 Kenyon Lodge

9056 Llannerch Lodge

1509 Madoc Lodge

6322 Madryn Lodge

8772 Maesgwyn Lodge of I.M.

8941 Mathafarn Lodge

1988 Mawddach Lodge

4264 Memory Lodge

3669 Moelwyn Lodge

9150 Mold Lodge

8232 Mona Lodge

7985 Mossley Lodge

Number Name

8615 North Wales Lodge of I.M.

8865 North Wales Lodge of P.G.S.

660 Offa Lodge

5773 Old Castles Lodge

9399 Old Ruthinian Lodge

124 Pegasus Lodge

8257 Peniarth Lodge

4417 Penmaenmawr Lodge

7384 Pennant Lodge

8163 Pen-y-Ddraig Lodge

6958 Pilgrim Lodge

355 Powis Lodge

7020 Prestatyn Lodge

7737 Rhuddlan Castle(Lodge of)

1143 Royal Denbigh Lodge

1849 Royal Leek Lodge

4741 Saint Grwst Lodge

7249 Saint Peblig(Lodge Of )

6733 Sant Beuno Lodge

6536 Sant Myllin Lodge

0606 Segontium Lodge

4424 Sincerity Lodge

1477 Sir Watkin Lodge

1336 Square And Compass Lodge

8034 St. Asaph Lodge

8577 St. Catherine

6034 St. Christopher Lodge

4448 St. Collen's Lodge

323 St. Cyngar Lodge

6321 St. Cystenin(Lodge Of )

0384 St. David's Lodge

3273 St. Deiniol Lodge

6111 St. Elbod Lodge

1488 St. Eleth Lodge

1582 St. Idloes Lodge

7772 St. Kentigern's Lodge

2423 St. Mark's Lodge

7061 St. Mary's Lodge

3840 St. Melyd's Lodge

2569 St. Trillo Lodge

4433 St.Tudwal's Lodge

3801 The Dee Side Lodge

0597 The Lodge of St. Cybi

4801 The Lodge Of St. Hilary

0755 The Lodge Of St. Tudno

6110 Trearddur Lodge

6944 Twrcelyn Lodge

8951 Valle Crucis Lodge

8949 Vardre Lodge

0998 Welchpool Lodge

6055 Wepre Lodge

6715 Wrexhamian Lodge

3876 Wynnstay Lodge

5636 Yale Lodge

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Is there a distinctive coat of arms/crest design for each of the individual lodges? I have recently encountered a mass of 1919-1946 British Masonic badges for Stewards at various Royal Masonic Benevolent Institutions and Masonic Institutions for Boys/Girls which each have different crests for the same "institution" designations, and no numbers. So I wonder if the "institutions" were local, rather than national, and the CREST identifies which one, rather than a number?

The only one which DOES bear a number stamped on back among all the maker's silver gilt hallmarks is "3106," which does not appear to be a Lodge number from the lists above, so a specific recipient's serial number?

I have shown some of these to BJOW, but don't want to post scans here since they are for sale on a website.

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Grand Lodges

(Individual Lodges under the Grand Lodge

of Ireland or the Grand Lodge of Scotland

are added by request and are shown

indented under the relevant Grand Lodge)

United Grand Lodge of England

Library and Museum of Freemasonry, London

MQ Magazine (Official magazine of the UGLE)

Grand Lodge of Ireland

etc

Add to West Lancashire---Crosby Lodge 3714

[Edited for brevity - WM5806]

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Hi,

As an Ayrshire man I noted the inclusion of the Kilwinning lodge, As a curio I would like to add that Kilwinning though not an attractive town has a nice ruined abbey but for years the only post card available for the town was the an image of the inauspicious door of the ?Number nothing?.

As a side issue I have an old Masonic hand book and I believe it to be really quite old is there any way of dating these things-I have always been to afraid to ask.

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As a side issue I have an old Masonic hand book and I believe it to be really quite old is there any way of dating these things-I have always been to afraid to ask.

Hi Stephen

If you would like to post the details (title, author, publisher etc), you may find someone on the board who knows about such things.

Kindest regards

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Hi,

I was thinking of that but I was always apprehensive that I would be dragged away and found hanging under a bridge or eaten alive by the ?Masonic Goat? in Kilwinning-and there is one?

On a more serious note the book turned up when my father sold our old house in the early 80?s, another curio which turned up was the London times from 1805 reporting the battle of Trafalgar, However I believe the book is of that sort of vintage, my fathers family were masons both in terms of their trouser habit and I terms of their vocation at least until the 1820?s when the family fortunes took a more professional turn. I think I have the book and will scan some images and post asap.

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Is there a distinctive coat of arms/crest design for each of the individual lodges? I have recently encountered a mass of 1919-1946 British Masonic badges for Stewards at various Royal Masonic Benevolent Institutions and Masonic Institutions for Boys/Girls which each have different crests for the same "institution" designations, and no numbers. So I wonder if the "institutions" were local, rather than national, and the CREST identifies which one, rather than a number?

The only one which DOES bear a number stamped on back among all the maker's silver gilt hallmarks is "3106," which does not appear to be a Lodge number from the lists above, so a specific recipient's serial number?

I have shown some of these to BJOW, but don't want to post scans here since they are for sale on a website.

Hi Rick

Sorry, I just noticed that no-one had replied to your original post. Working on the principle of being "better late than never", I shall try to address your points:

- Yes, many Lodges may have their own crest, logo, design or what ever you wish to call it. Often this will be displayed on their jewels, banner and letterhead.

- The crests on Stewards jewels are often those of the English/Welsh Masonic Province (similar I suppose to your states) which is organising the Festival for that year. The Festivals were massive fundraising campaigns to support the Masonic charities, each Province taking a turn to rganise them. The Institutions, as you rightly guessed, were national but the emblems on the jewel were local - if that makes sense?

- the Lodge which bears the number 3106 is Thoresby Lodge, meeting in Nottingham. However, would have to see the jewel to best decide whether it was the Lodge number, or something else.

Kindest (belated) regards

WM5806

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Sorry if I'm being a bit dim here, wouldn't be the first time :speechless:

I don't really understand what you're trying to do but you might be better off just compiling links to each of the Provincial Grand Lodge websites, most of which have their subordinate Lodges listed.

Mike

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Hi,

I was thinking of that but I was always apprehensive that I would be dragged away and found hanging under a bridge or eaten alive by the ?Masonic Goat? in Kilwinning-and there is one?

On a more serious note the book turned up when my father sold our old house in the early 80?s, another curio which turned up was the London times from 1805 reporting the battle of Trafalgar, However I believe the book is of that sort of vintage, my fathers family were masons both in terms of their trouser habit and I terms of their vocation at least until the 1820?s when the family fortunes took a more professional turn. I think I have the book and will scan some images and post asap.

Only joking anbout the goat, however I foun the book at long last and here are some scans. Can it be dated by the images or publisher? Do you chaps need some more images?

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This to me is just a curio, I know my fathers family have resided in deepest darkest Ayrshire since about 1750-Ireland before that. I also know that my grandfather was a mason, but as he was in India for the best part of thirty years it is unlikely to be his. His Grandfather was a 'a master stone mason' and I presume a masonic chap as well. The house was ours from the 1790's till 1981. This is to give anyone out there a starter for 10.

Cheers in anticpation of your help.

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Hi Stephen

Difficult to date precisely, as you can imagine. However, I've narrowed it down a fair bit:

- The book itself is generally regarded as having been written by Avery Allyn.

- Various printing dates, earliest found was 1831, published by John Clarke in Philadelphia

- Other editions:

-Shebbear, 1835 and 1848, Devon

-William Gowans, 1865, New York

-Reeves & Turner, 1896, Strand

- William Reeves was recorded as being at 83 Charing Cross Road at least between 1907 - 1930.

As it was Reeves AND Turner in 1896, I would suggest it was published AFTER 1896, and maybe as late as 1930 or after that even.

Hope that's some use, sorry not to have been more precise. Does that fit in with how old the book 'feels'?

Regards

WM5806

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Hi

Thanks for that I am, I admit, suprised that book appears to be that young I have several books from the md 19th Century and one or two from the late 18th and all seem in much more robust condition that this chap. Everyday is a school day but I must admit that the book does 'feel' older. I have many books from the mid 19thc and a few from the late 18th and almost all feel more robust than this one. The foxing and general conditon of the paper would suggest an earlier publication date but I guess you cannot dispute the facts!

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Hi Stephen

Thanks for your reply. Your comments are valuable when you say that the book 'feels' older than that.

Perhaps might be worth finding out more about the publishers? William Reeves was recorded as being at 83 Charing Cross Road at least between 1907 - 1930, but what if they also pre-dated the Reeves & Turner partnership?

If you can get your hands on a good run of trade directories for London (perhaps something like 'Kelly's') in a big library and track them down, then you might get an earlier date which would fit better with the 'feel'.

Sorry not to have been able to provide a definitive answer.

Good luck!

WM5806

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No that has been really helpful thanks. I guess it might equally be me making assumptions. The book was found with other dated documents in my Grandfathers house, the paper is badly foxed etc. But will follow up your suggestions.

I guess your not going to tell me what it's all about???? Will let you know what I find

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I guess your not going to tell me what it's all about????

I wouldn't know if it was all true anyway, not being in some of the other degrees that it describes.

However, you should be aware that some of these 'exposures' are more (in)accurate than others, and I can see some inaccuracies from the scans, so don't take it to heart!

If you want to know more you'll have to join! :speechless:

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On a serious note, there are - I believe - some quite distinct differences between various signs and rituals used in Masonry as practised in different parts of the UK, never mind the rest of the world. That being so, what is considered 'correct' here in England might not be recognised at all in certain parts of Scotland.

Like the age of the book, there's no definitive answer...

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Really, that, from an outsiders view point is very intersting. I keep making assumptions in this forum and had wrongly assumed that all masons would follow the same rituals. As alluded to in an earlier post I am from Ayrshire and the Masonic 'thing' is, in my mind, really quite prevelant. Apart from the obvious Kilwinning lodge there is a masonic grave yard in Ardrossan/saltcoats and a very strong link with the orange lodge etc so I suppose on reflection there are different associations in the West Coast of Scotland and how masons are viewed-in this case as being a sectarian group.

Sorry thinking on my feet here.

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