Struwwelpeter Posted February 19, 2007 Posted February 19, 2007 There seem to be lots of unmarked ek2 in Walter&Henline packets being offered for sale, but I have never seen a marked one. Have any of you gents? Thank you all. Charles
RICK SCHMID Posted February 22, 2007 Posted February 22, 2007 There seem to be lots of unmarked ek2 in Walter&Henline packets being offered for sale, but I have never seen a marked one. Have any of you gents? Thank you all. CharlesHi Charles:I have only seen marked packets so far, no marked cross's to date . However If you look at the cross's that come with the packet they are different. First they have a hump frame which many will think are mm#100's but I don't think so, althought they share some common frame traits, such as close smaller beading and some but "not all" have what appears to be a rhodium silver finish to the outer frame with many varing degrees of finish remaining. I feel we need to get more data on this cross. It could be that the maker never marked his cross.
robert pierce Posted February 22, 2007 Posted February 22, 2007 (edited) Hi all,I just bought from Detlev a matched set of packet and EK '109'. When it (they) arrives I will post it here for discussion. Unmarked ring.Robert Edited February 22, 2007 by robert pierce
Steve campbell Posted February 22, 2007 Posted February 22, 2007 Whose to say if the cross and packet actually came together originally? Could have easily been put together later on. Someone saying they came together means nothing really.
Struwwelpeter Posted February 22, 2007 Author Posted February 22, 2007 Hi all,I just bought from Detlev a matched set of packet and EK '109'. When it (they) arrives I will post it here for discussion. Unmarked ring.Robert I shall try to post pictures of my set also. I have seen several that match mine exactly, rim and core, all with unmarked ring. Charles.
robert pierce Posted February 22, 2007 Posted February 22, 2007 You're right Steve, Matching cross to packet means nothing. The worse thing that can happen is I have one more unmarked EKII and another '109' packet. On a cross that is said to have never been stamped, like these '109's, about the only way of knowing they match is to get it from a vet. We'll see if someone posts a cross that came in a '109' packet here. I have an '86' Paulmann & Crone that came directly from the vet himself with packet. I figure I have about as close to a matched original as it comes. I heard Paulmann & Crone never marked their EKII either.Robert
Motorhead Posted February 22, 2007 Posted February 22, 2007 Robert,I haven't seen a maker marked 109 before,only the paper bag stamped with this maker.But your 86 sounds interesting-all "86" I've seen so far tourned out as a "98" Souval.Is the cross maker marked?Micha
Steve campbell Posted February 22, 2007 Posted February 22, 2007 One way or the other it's a really nice cross and packet. I'd love to have it.
robert pierce Posted February 22, 2007 Posted February 22, 2007 (edited) Micha,No, it is not the usual Souval marked cross. I have plenty of those. The '86' has got to be one of the 'ugliest' of all EKII's, small swasi, poorly designed beading, etc., but still an original. I'll hunt for some photos I have stuck away on disc and post here.Robert Edited February 22, 2007 by robert pierce
robert pierce Posted February 22, 2007 Posted February 22, 2007 This set came directly from the vet himself in Germany. I'll post the entire grouping I purchased from him including his Wehrpass, awards and US/German discharge paperwork. Unfortunately this was all he had from the war, no uniform.
Struwwelpeter Posted February 22, 2007 Author Posted February 22, 2007 That is the first '86' set I've seen! Thank you for posting it. Charles
robert pierce Posted February 22, 2007 Posted February 22, 2007 (edited) Here is the framed grouping. As you can see the cross itself has a nice shine to the frame still. The core is a flat black like a typical '65'. All of his awards are included here, and are registered in his Wehrpass. The IAB is the SHuCo design (unmarked) with the 4-stemmed cross-hatching, and neither the Ostmedaille or BWB are marked. Nothing he was awarded was maker marked.This IS the cross that came in the packet, as the vet himself received it during the war. I believe this sets absolute match-up between cross and packet, thus an original '86' EKII.Robert Edited February 22, 2007 by robert pierce
robert pierce Posted February 22, 2007 Posted February 22, 2007 Thank you Charles, I've been beating my head up against the wall on another forum in an effort for the members to accept this set. You're the first one to even give comment on it. Thank you. I personally don't know of any better way to authenticate a set than from the veteran himself. And of course, other sets received in the similar fashion would greatly confirm this. I know of only one other original packet from Paulmann & Crone to be in existance, referring to the other forum I belong to. Perhaps more here would volunteer photos of their packets. And, if I'm getting WAY off topic, please forgive me. I'm just thrilled to see others interested in this '86' set! Perhaps I should start another thread just for this.Robert
Motorhead Posted February 22, 2007 Posted February 22, 2007 This is my first "86" set,too! Very unique cross! It should be easy to identify-very "strange" frame......another one to go!Micha
robert pierce Posted February 22, 2007 Posted February 22, 2007 I'm not real sure, but I believe there is one more '86' on the Collectors Guild site, number H058856. The ring is smaller, but the frame, swasi and date look the same, or very near the same. Robert
Struwwelpeter Posted February 22, 2007 Author Posted February 22, 2007 Robert, what's not to like here? The packet or the cross? I like both, but as I previously stated, it's the first one I've seen. And the complete grouping is extremely nice looking! Charles.
robert pierce Posted February 22, 2007 Posted February 22, 2007 (edited) Thank you again Charles,This vet, Willie Lang, was assigned to the 469th Infantry Reg. from 1939-1943 in Denmark and France. From 1943 to 1945 he served with the 15th and 35th Panzerregiments in Russia, Charkow. The German grouping is my first, and is extremely interesting to me. I only wish he had his uniform and more to offer at the time, but I'm happy to have rescued this in one piece.Robert Edited February 22, 2007 by robert pierce
Struwwelpeter Posted February 22, 2007 Author Posted February 22, 2007 I have a flak grouping on the way, and will post it asap. Charles.
wig4 Posted February 28, 2007 Posted February 28, 2007 Hi Robert Here is my "Walter und Henlein" packetRegards
robert pierce Posted February 28, 2007 Posted February 28, 2007 (edited) Thanks,A different lettering style than mine on front. Here are some more photos of the cross and packet that I bought from Detlev, who assured me that they were a true match...Thanks,Robert Edited February 28, 2007 by robert pierce
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