mravery Posted May 3, 2007 Posted May 3, 2007 Hello all,Need some expert opinions here....... Is this Oldenburg order good or bad ???Also. any idea of a fair value ?CheersMark
Schießplatzmeister Posted May 3, 2007 Posted May 3, 2007 Hmmm....... 1) Looks very much like the example listed by Beyrei? (good) 2) But with only 328 awards, I have seen far too many circulating in the last few years (bad) 3) Therefore, personally, I would not purchase one without documentation and the proper context, etc. Sorry that I couldn't be of more assistance!"SPM"
mravery Posted May 3, 2007 Author Posted May 3, 2007 Hey SPMWho is "Beyrei?"?Another question....... when were the 'swords' instituded for this order and did you have to be 'under fire' for the swords or just in uniform ?CheersMark
David M Posted May 3, 2007 Posted May 3, 2007 Hi MarkBeyreiss is the expert on Oldenburg. Check out his website www.oldenburg-orden.de (contactdata on this website as well) If you wnat to be sure about your award, let him check!!David
Schießplatzmeister Posted May 3, 2007 Posted May 3, 2007 Hello again Mark:Beyrei? is a collector and specialist regarding Oldenburg Orders and decorations. He wrote a book a few years ago which has become the "textbook" for Oldenburg.I'm not certain when the swords were instituted for the Officer's Cross (I am a work and don't have my reference material here, but they certainly existed from 1914-1918). My assumption is that persons in the military services received the award with swords and that one didn't necessarily have to be under fire to receive them.I don't know where your photos are from, but I just remembered one of these Orders being offered in Germany with the original case and award document. That one is undoubtedly good due to the context. Contact me by PM and I will explain if interested.Best regards,"SPM"
mravery Posted May 3, 2007 Author Posted May 3, 2007 Hey SPMYes.. I know of the one that your talking about... thanks for the heads up....but this one is not the same one.What I have is a Dannish General's uniform that during WWI he was with the Germans as an Observer... and was awarded one (along with the Griffen knights badge and the Albert Bear knights badge)...... and I was thinking that his would be without swords but know I'm not too sure....I'll send Beyrei? an email with the pics for his opinion...... Cheers and thanks !Mark
mravery Posted May 9, 2007 Author Posted May 9, 2007 Hey Guys,Just as a follow-upI spoke to Beyrei? (well.. e-mail).. very very nice guy !!He located my Danish officer in his award list and it was awarded in May 1912.... WITHOUT swords..... He stated that there was only ONE awarded with swords prior to 1914 and it was for Colonial Service.He also stated that this badge was fine... and that he had only seen copies of the ones with swords... not the ones without.CheersMark
Schießplatzmeister Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 Hello Mark:Thanks for sharing the information! Very interesting indeed. I wonder who has that ONE! genuine badge with swords?Best regards,"SPM" Hey Guys,Just as a follow-upI spoke to Beyrei? (well.. e-mail).. very very nice guy !!He located my Danish officer in his award list and it was awarded in May 1912.... WITHOUT swords..... He stated that there was only ONE awarded with swords prior to 1914 and it was for Colonial Service.He also stated that this badge was fine... and that he had only seen copies of the ones with swords... not the ones without.CheersMark
Yankee Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 Hey Guys,Just as a follow-upI spoke to Beyrei? (well.. e-mail).. very very nice guy !!He located my Danish officer in his award list and it was awarded in May 1912.... WITHOUT swords..... He stated that there was only ONE awarded with swords prior to 1914 and it was for Colonial Service.He also stated that this badge was fine... and that he had only seen copies of the ones with swords... not the ones without.CheersMarkHi MarkDid you find out how many were issued without swords?
mravery Posted May 9, 2007 Author Posted May 9, 2007 No sir.....Sorry... I didn't ask him for statisics.... my bad ....M
Wild Card Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 Nimmergut states:328 w/o swds.9 w/swds.5 w/swds on ring
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