Bugler and drummers of a Leibregiment

[Robert Noss]

Got these two large scale photos, very nice resolution, these big size photos.

But - are these bavarians ? And what regiment ?

The 2nd one is even better in details:

Thanks for looking, any infos are welcome.

Robert

[Schießplatzmeister]

Hello Robert:

These are Prussians in my opinion. Notice the drum hanger which is a Prussian eagle.

I'm not sure of the unit. Perhaps some of our uniform specialists can make out the cipher on the epaulettes.

Best regards,

"SPM"

[dante]

Robert, not a leib regiment possibly "2.Badishes Grenadier-regiment Kaiser Wilhelm 1. Nr 110" but I standby to be corrected

[Robert Noss]

I made some better scans now, with the scanner and not the digi-cam. The photos have twice the size of a scanner but it works

And one of the Tambour

Maybe these are a bit better for identification

Robert

[dante]

Robert, still think it is 110th but on second thoughts it could also be 7th Grenadier Regt. but definately not Leib

[Naxos]

Hi Robert,

Beautiful details in the picture.

I agree with Dante: Baden 110 Grenadiers (could not be the 7th Grenadier Rgt - they wore litzen on their collars)

Regards, Hardy

[Naxos]

Here is a picture of some Baden Leib-Grenadiere of the 109 Regiment (note the litzen and the crown w/o the cypher)

[dante]

Here is a picture of some Baden Leib-Grenadiere of the 109 Regiment (note the litzen and the crown w/o the cypher)

And a colour photo of the Bavarian leib (still looking for the correct pickelhaube, but hopefully the white belt is on the way

[Naxos]

Very nice tunic!

[Schießplatzmeister]

Hello again everyone:

I am definately out of my area of expertise on this one.

However, I still say definately Prussian (not Baden, not Bavaria). The Schulterklappen look like they are for enlisted men of the Grenadier-Regt. K?nig Friedrich Wilhelm I. (2. Ostpreu?isches) Nr. 3 K?nigsberg. I am rather certain about this now after finding an example in a catalogue.

Where are our Prussian uniform experts to verify this?

Best regards,

"SPM"

[Naxos]

Hello again everyone:

I am definately out of my area of expertise on this one.

However, I still say definately Prussian (not Baden, not Bavaria). The Schulterklappen look like they are for enlisted men of the Grenadier-Regt. K?nig Friedrich Wilhelm I. (2. Ostpreu?isches) Nr. 3 K?nigsberg. I am rather certain about this now after finding an example in a catalogue.

Where are our Prussian uniform experts to verify this?

Best regards,

"SPM"

SMP I disagree (it rhymes!)

have a look at the bottom Kokades on the Feldm?tzen, it is definatley not the Prussian colors (black - white - black), but it could be the Baden colors (yellow - red - yellow),

I think that one can just see the Baden griffin on the helmet of the drummer in the first picture. Perhaps a closeup would solve this

Regards, Hardy

Edited May 17, 2007 by Naxos

[Schießplatzmeister]

Hello Hardy:

I claim ignorance (my default setting) regarding being able to tell what color the Kokades are. I frankly can't see the Griffen of Baden on any of the helmets.

I do also see however PRUSSIAN eagles on the bugles too. Did the Music Korps troops of Baden not have their own types of bugles and drum hangers?

Best regards,

"SPM"

[Naxos]

Hello Hardy:

I claim ignorance (my default setting) regarding being able to tell what color the Kokades are. I frankly can't see the Griffen of Baden on any of the helmets.

I do also see however PRUSSIAN eagles on the bugles too. Did the Music Korps troops of Baden not have their own types of bugles and drum hangers?

Best regards,

"SPM"

I believe they used the Prussian eagle hangers - Baden Regiments also used Prussian Belt Buckles

Regards, Hardy

[Schießplatzmeister]

Hello again:

I think that this is what we are looking at?

"SPM"

[Naxos]

Hello again:

I think that this is what we are looking at?

"SPM"

Yes that is the right shoulder board and it belongs to the 110 Baden Regiment

see the straps here: http://www.kaisersbunker.com/gtp/straps.htm

the Grenadier-Regt. Kronprinz (1.Ostpreu?isches) Nr.1 had Litzen on their tunics and the shoulder board was slightly different, showing FR III under the crown

Regards, Hardy

[Naxos]

Robert, could you scan in a close-up of this drummers helmet?

Regards, Hardy

[Robert Noss]

Here is the drummer in better details.

The eagles on the bugles look prussian, that's right.

Thanks a lot so far for this discussion, very eduacating for me.

Robert

[Naxos]

Hi Robert,

here is the Standarte of the 110er

and the German site of the Traditionsverein: http://www.kaisergrenadiere.de.vu/

Regards, Hardy

[Schießplatzmeister]

Hello again Hardy:

Thank you for your patience and the excellent information! Now I see the Griffen of Baden on the helmet. Excellent information regarding the shoulder boards, and a superb link for information regarding the 110th!

I have learned a lot from the analysis of these photos.

Best regards,

"SPM"

Edited May 17, 2007 by Schie?platzmeister

[Naxos]

Hi SPM,

forget about it, I'm just returning the favour. You helped me out a couple of times already.

Here is one:

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=17943&hl=spm

All the Best, Hardy

Edited May 17, 2007 by Naxos