Gordon Craig Posted July 9, 2007 Posted July 9, 2007 An early Bundeswehr Brigadegeneral?s tunic from the 1950s. The pointed shoulder boards came into use with the 1955 Rank Regulations. The collar tab insignia are of the metal wire embroidered type. The shoulder boards insignia is in a dull gold metal with brighter gold highlights. The gold cord around the shoulder boards and the collar is also of gold wire. The tunic is not named.
Gordon Craig Posted July 9, 2007 Author Posted July 9, 2007 A closeup of the collar tabs and shoulder boards.
Gordon Craig Posted July 9, 2007 Author Posted July 9, 2007 A closeup of the ribbon bar on this tunic. This bar did not come with the tunic but I feel it fits well for the time frame.Regards,Gordon
Gordon Craig Posted July 9, 2007 Author Posted July 9, 2007 This tunic is for a Generalmajor from around the 1990s. The rounded shoulder boards came into use in 1962. The collar tab insignia is of metal wire but of the non oxidizing type. The cord around the collar and the shoulder boards is of metal wire but does oxidize. The shoulder board insignia is of metal and virtually the same as the earlier tunic I posted pictures of. The shoulder insignia is for the 5th Panzer Division. It is of the General Officer variety done in gold metal embroidery. I have not been successful in acquiring a list of General Officers that served with 5th Panzer Division and I would be happy to get ones should anyone have this information. The other question I have is to what pin back badge would have been worn on the right breast pocket. The thread loops are 40mm apart. Anyone care to make a suggestion?
Gordon Craig Posted July 9, 2007 Author Posted July 9, 2007 A closeup of the collar tabs and shoulder boards.
Gordon Craig Posted July 9, 2007 Author Posted July 9, 2007 A closeup of the ribbon bar loops above the left pocket and the award loops on the left breast pocket.
Gordon Craig Posted July 9, 2007 Author Posted July 9, 2007 A closeup of the General Officers metal embroidered sleeve patch for the 5th Panzer Division.Regards,Gordon
speedytop Posted July 9, 2007 Posted July 9, 2007 Hi Gordon,that is normally the place for the "Leistungsabzeichen".Awarded in Bronze, Silver, Gold and Gold with a number for multiple performances (5, 10, 15 ...)
speedytop Posted July 9, 2007 Posted July 9, 2007 (edited) and that is a picture from the regulations of the German Armed Forces 1997 (Anzugordnung f?r die Soldaten der Bundeswehr)see No. 11RegardsUwe Edited July 9, 2007 by speedytop
Gordon Craig Posted July 10, 2007 Author Posted July 10, 2007 Uwe,Thanks for the post. I have those pictures etc. but I don't believe I have ever seen a "Leistungsabzeichen" big enough to fit the loops on this pocket. Perhaps I am mistaken but since I don't have one with me, and you probably have access to one, would you please measure the distance between the hinge and the latch on the pin for me.Regards,Gordon
speedytop Posted July 10, 2007 Posted July 10, 2007 Gordon,where is the problem?This is the "Leistungsabzeichen" in Gold with 10 at the bottomThe dimensions of the badge: 43 x 53 mmRegardsUwe
speedytop Posted July 10, 2007 Posted July 10, 2007 (edited) Gordon,looking for the name of the General of the 5. Panzerdivision, you have to exclude the divisional commanders.Brigadegeneral was his last rank, and that is for the second in command, "stellvertretender Divisionskommandeur".And I don't think, that it is BrigGen v. Heimendahl. I know him, and he is a man with a real sense of tradition, and I think, that he would not give away his uniform .RegardsUwe Edited July 10, 2007 by speedytop
Gordon Craig Posted July 10, 2007 Author Posted July 10, 2007 (edited) Uwe,Thanks for the measurments of the "Leistungsabzeichen". Now that I know it will fit I'll get one for this tunic. Thanks also for the info on the last CO of the division and his "stellvertretender Divisionskommandeur". I thought that this tunic/rank would belong to a person in that position. Now all I need is a list of General Officers that filled the "stellvertretender Divisionskommandeur" for 5. Panzer.Here is another tunic for a Brigade General who was the "stellvertretender Divisionskommandeur" in 1. Luftlande Division. I tried to buy the entire uniform in Vienna a couple of weeks ago but it had been promised to someone else. At least that was the vendors story. I wasn't all that distressed as it was way over priced. The tunic wasn't named but the hat was. Regards,Gordon Edited July 10, 2007 by Gordon Craig
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