Humberto Corado Posted September 4, 2007 Share Posted September 4, 2007 hello all,I am wondering if there are any estatistics of awarded Austro-Hungary Golden, Silver and Bronze Bravery Medals and Silver and Bronze Signum Laudis Medals???As it has been said before the Gro?e Milit?rverdientsmedaille was awarded thirty times.Thanks in advance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted September 4, 2007 Share Posted September 4, 2007 Figure almost every single officer (9,990 out of 10,0000 ) got a "bronze" (gold colored) Signum Laudis and that comes out about right. Silvers were much less plentiful only because I think many officers jumped over these to some other award like one of the Orders or the Military Merit Cross.Back in 1966 Dr. Klietmann citedGold Bravery Medals = about 3,700Large Silver Bravery Medals = about 143,000Small Silver Bravery Medals = about 384,000Bronze Bravery Medals = about 950,000These were still being slowwwwwwwwwwwly processed for awards in the 1st Austrian Republic during the 1930s.I have never seen figures for the "K" Large Silver and Gold just to officers, so I do not know if those are included in the totals above.Unlike most countries, Austrian awards carried real BENEFITS. Recipients of the above medals received a monthly payment of 30 K, 15 K, and 7.50 K, carried over into Schillings under the 1st Republic and as far as I know continued right through the Third Reich and under the 2nd Republic until the last recipient had died. No monthly payments to bronze winners, but anyone who received the 1917 Karl Troop Cross was immediately allowed the right to vote at age 20 rather than the then-legal age of 24. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunyadi Posted September 4, 2007 Share Posted September 4, 2007 Dont know how much this helps, but here is a breakdown of the Bravery Medals for the Hungairan units up to 1914.arany = goldezust = silverI oszt. = first classII oszt. = second classosszesen = total Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humberto Corado Posted September 4, 2007 Author Share Posted September 4, 2007 (edited) Figure almost every single officer (9,990 out of 10,0000 ) got a "bronze" (gold colored) Signum Laudis and that comes out about right. Silvers were much less plentiful only because I think many officers jumped over these to some other award like one of the Orders or the Military Merit Cross.Back in 1966 Dr. Klietmann citedGold Bravery Medals = about 3,700Large Silver Bravery Medals = about 143,000Small Silver Bravery Medals = about 384,000Bronze Bravery Medals = about 950,000These were still being slowwwwwwwwwwwly processed for awards in the 1st Austrian Republic during the 1930s.I have never seen figures for the "K" Large Silver and Gold just to officers, so I do not know if those are included in the totals above.Unlike most countries, Austrian awards carried real BENEFITS. Recipients of the above medals received a monthly payment of 30 K, 15 K, and 7.50 K, carried over into Schillings under the 1st Republic and as far as I know continued right through the Third Reich and under the 2nd Republic until the last recipient had died. No monthly payments to bronze winners, but anyone who received the 1917 Karl Troop Cross was immediately allowed the right to vote at age 20 rather than the then-legal age of 24.Many thanks Rick!!! interesting to know that the silver medals are not as common as its current market prices could suggest. although I suppose that they were manufactured in larger numbers than the ones that were awarded like is happen with other medalsI have never seen any document for the Bravery Medals ( awarded before, during or after WWI) so I assume that during WWI this medals were awarded by the authority of the Emperor.do you know if during the 1st Austrian Republic they were awarded by the authority of President, Chancellor , etc???hunyadi,very interesting to know the numbers of Bravery Medals awarded to Hungarians, thank you! I assume that in the numbers that Rick post the Hungarian WWI awards are included????Thanks again! Edited September 4, 2007 by Humberto Corado Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted September 4, 2007 Share Posted September 4, 2007 Unit commanders could award the Bronze Bravery Medal. Others went up to Division, Corps, or Army level. I have seen award CARDS-- little, wallet-sized cards-- for the Bravery Medals. Officers got large award Urkunden for the Signum Laudis medals. If you do a search on "Signum Laudis" you will finsd some examples.Glenn can answers for the post-war awards. From the Ministry of Defense, I think.Every single award had its "Belohnungsantrag" recommendation form giving a full citation text for why the award should be made, approved (and increased or decreased as to WHICH award) up the chain of command. For Austrian citizens after 1918, those are still kept in Vienna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunyadi Posted September 5, 2007 Share Posted September 5, 2007 hunyadi,very interesting to know the numbers of Bravery Medals awarded to Hungarians, thank you! I assume that in the numbers that Rick post the Hungarian WWI awards are included????I would assume so - the book that published this table was from the 1920's on Hungarian 'Knights' so it was of a political nature to mention the Hungarians. As Rick pointed out these were still being awarded well after the war, so the data was not fully complete by the 1920's. But it still gives some interestign information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humberto Corado Posted September 7, 2007 Author Share Posted September 7, 2007 thank you hunyadi! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Lang Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 Hello,it is not a statistic, and obviously incomplete, but this book can be of invaluable help:"Ehrenbuch der Oesterreichisch Ungarischen Wehrmacht - die Ausgezeichneten im Weltkrieg"; Vienna, k.u.k. Kriegsarchiv / Verlag Vaterl?ndisches Archiv, 1917In this book, besides the statutes of all the awarded orders and decorations (and fine colour plates) there is an alphabetical list of officers with details of their awards.A good thing is that the "Ehrenbuch" is not rare and it usually appears at collectors shows and/or auctions.Best wishes,Enzo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humberto Corado Posted September 14, 2007 Author Share Posted September 14, 2007 Hello,it is not a statistic, and obviously incomplete, but this book can be of invaluable help:"Ehrenbuch der Oesterreichisch Ungarischen Wehrmacht - die Ausgezeichneten im Weltkrieg"; Vienna, k.u.k. Kriegsarchiv / Verlag Vaterl?ndisches Archiv, 1917In this book, besides the statutes of all the awarded orders and decorations (and fine colour plates) there is an alphabetical list of officers with details of their awards.A good thing is that the "Ehrenbuch" is not rare and it usually appears at collectors shows and/or auctions.Best wishes,EnzoThanks for the info Enzo!do you have an idea of how much would cost me one now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Lang Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Hello,the price of the "Ehrenbuch" shouldn't exceed the 200.- Euro, hopefully...Best wishes,Enzo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humberto Corado Posted September 17, 2007 Author Share Posted September 17, 2007 Hello,the price of the "Ehrenbuch" shouldn't exceed the 200.- Euro, hopefully...Best wishes,EnzoThank you Enzo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hipnos Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 Figure almost every single officer (9,990 out of 10,0000 ) got a "bronze" (gold colored) Signum Laudis and that comes out about right. Silvers were much less plentiful only because I think many officers jumped over these to some other award like one of the Orders or the Military Merit Cross.Back in 1966 Dr. Klietmann citedGold Bravery Medals = about 3,700Large Silver Bravery Medals = about 143,000Small Silver Bravery Medals = about 384,000Bronze Bravery Medals = about 950,000These were still being slowwwwwwwwwwwly processed for awards in the 1st Austrian Republic during the 1930s.I have never seen figures for the "K" Large Silver and Gold just to officers, so I do not know if those are included in the totals above.Unlike most countries, Austrian awards carried real BENEFITS. Recipients of the above medals received a monthly payment of 30 K, 15 K, and 7.50 K, carried over into Schillings under the 1st Republic and as far as I know continued right through the Third Reich and under the 2nd Republic until the last recipient had died. No monthly payments to bronze winners, but anyone who received the 1917 Karl Troop Cross was immediately allowed the right to vote at age 20 rather than the then-legal age of 24.Hi Rick Sorry for pester you with a lot of questions...The Signum laudis is a lesser bravery award than the bravery medals???ThanksMiguel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
censlenov Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 On the topic of numbers issued is there a known number of recipients who recieved bars to there bravery medals? Multiple bars? Do bravery awards with bars (primarily the small silver and bronze) come up for sale often? Can anyone show examples with second/third award bars?CheersChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iver Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 I have only Silver Military merit medal two times awarded with swords... bar is signed ZIMBLER WIEN and hallmarked... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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