Soviet Russian WW2 helmets?

[Rheinmetall]

A friend of mine has a Russian WW2 helmet and has some question I though someone here can answer:

1) What was the designation? He's been told the model is M1936, is this correct?

2) Do these actually have a collector following? If so, what are the price values?

[Kev in Deva]

Hallo Rheinmetall

I believe first it has to be determined the helmets are WW2 vintage as the WW2 style was issued post WW2 with a different

liner, there should also be some stampings and painted marks on the inside of the shell to determine which producer etc.

They were also issued to various other Communist countries, the Commumist Romanians using them into the mid 1950's.Prices can vary between 35+ Euros depending on the type, condition and demand.

Some of the other members here have very good information on helmets, mine was gained from selling a few I found in Romania to other collectors.

Kevin in Deva.

[Rheinmetall]

Thank you for the input. Would you know of any online resource or website that I could direct my friend to which would have photographs of the interior of WW2 vintage helmets for use as comparison to his?

[Kev in Deva]

Hallo Rheinmetall,

GMIC Club Member Mr. Peter Suciu has a website at:

http://www.nyc-techwriters.com/militaria/helmets.htm

Which might be of some use.

And this one:

http://aboutww2militaria.com/index.html?ru...eel_helmets.htm

but I find the prices he lists as incredible

Kevin in Deva.

[Sergey]

Ssh-36 should be such

[Sergey]

Such it inside

[Rheinmetall]

Great pics Sergey! I saw some of these helmets elsewhere with a red star painted on the front. Was this common for WW2 helmets or would it have been done post-war?

[Paul R]

That is a great example, Sergy. I would like to find a reasonably priced example for my uniform.

[Belaruski]

Some units applied a red star, some just the outline (a skeletal star), but they were not universal. And yes, many are appplied 'retrospectively'.

To answer the question about collector following, I think all Soviet pre war and wartime helmets have a very good following. The 1936 pattern is particularly desirable.

[Sergey]

Some units applied a red star, some just the outline (a skeletal star), but they were not universal. And yes, many are appplied 'retrospectively'.

To answer the question about collector following, I think all Soviet pre war and wartime helmets have a very good following. The 1936 pattern is particularly desirable.

It is not exact. The size of a star have been established. These are 70 mm. Tomorrow I necessarily shall show the helmets with a star.

[Sergey]

Great pics Sergey! I saw some of these helmets elsewhere with a red star painted on the front. Was this common for WW2 helmets or would it have been done post-war?

This photo has appeared naw.1939 year-helmet from Winter war

Edited October 8, 2007 by Sergey

[Sergey]

That is a great example, Sergy. I would like to find a reasonably priced example for my uniform.

Even now it is possible to find a helmet-36 .But a problem is available in sending a helmet from Russia. Customs rules forbid it to make. It is possible to send subjects of a uniform from a material having written that it is a man's jacket. However this subject and its form it will be well visible in the item of mail. However I shall try to receive the information at customs and I shall inform.

[Sergey]

Great pics Sergey! I saw some of these helmets elsewhere with a red star painted on the front. Was this common for WW2 helmets or would it have been done post-war?

Excuse for the late answer. I leaved from the house and had no opportunity to answer. Belaruski correctly was responsible for me. All this so. However the size of a star was identical. However knowing Russian character it is possible to assume, that there were also exceptions of a rule.

[RRA227]

Here is my Ssh-36. It was $125 at a local gun show. Rich A.

[Bryan]

RRA227 I cannot really see the star on your SSh-36, but it doesn't look period made. However the helmet seems really nice for the price you paid!

[Sergey]

Here is my Ssh-36. It was $125 at a local gun show. Rich A.

Edited October 8, 2007 by Sergey

[Sergey]

Here the sizes of a star

Edited October 8, 2007 by Sergey

[RRA227]

Here is a pic of the star. Like you guys say it may not be W.W.2 applied. It looks small. The FJ? It is ok. But it is only a single decal. For $300 I had to buy it. Having it is better than not having one at all. Rich A. in Pa.

[Paul R]

Even now it is possible to find a helmet-36 .But a problem is available in sending a helmet from Russia. Customs rules forbid it to make. It is possible to send subjects of a uniform from a material having written that it is a man's jacket. However this subject and its form it will be well visible in the item of mail. However I shall try to receive the information at customs and I shall inform.

Thank you!! I am most specifically looking for a later type(M43?)! Are these still possible to find at a reasonable price?

[Bryan]

Paul the Soviet M43 model doesn't exist. These are called :

The WWII helmet are

SSh-36

SSh-39

SSh-40

SSh-36[

SSh-39

SSh-40

An here is the difference between SSh-39 and SSh-40 from Robert W. Clawson book RUSSIAN HELMETS: From Kaska to Stalshlyem 1916-2001

[Paul R]

Hi Soviet,

Sorry for the misnomer. I would like to find either an SSh-39 or SSh-40. Are these very expensive/difficult to find?

[Bryan]

Hi Paul, no problem with the names!

SSh-39 are in my opinion easier to find than WWII SSh-40. The SSh-39 model was made I think from 1939 until 1943 and the SSh-40 model was made from 1940 until the 1960's. Unfortunately many post-war SSh40 have altered stamps on the inside to make them pass as WWII pieces. The thing is that the early post-war SSh-40 helmets are sometimes not distinguishable from WWII SSh-40 helmets.

I am not really up to date with the prices. I bought mine few years ago. Post-war helmets from the 1940?s can be found for $50, WWII Ssh-40 I guess they should be around $200-$250 and SSh39 $300 and more. As I said, you may find some cheaper than that or much more expensive.

I don?t know many dealers who sell Soviet helmets. Here are some that you migh already know, which are normally quite expensive.

http://collectrussia.com/showcat.htm?cat=HEADGEAR

http://www.aboutww2militaria.com/

[Sergey]

Hi Paul, no problem with the names!

SSh-39 are in my opinion easier to find than WWII SSh-40. The SSh-39 model was made I think from 1939 until 1943 and the SSh-40 model was made from 1940 until the 1960's. Unfortunately many post-war SSh40 have altered stamps on the inside to make them pass as WWII pieces. The thing is that the early post-war SSh-40 helmets are sometimes not distinguishable from WWII SSh-40 helmets.

I shall try to put illustrations for told

[Sergey]

And

[Sergey]

And it still stars