RAO with swords, eagle question

[Blitz]

Here is a riddle for you. A 4th cl. RAO with golden swords. Nothing different to any other last type RAOs that were awarded between 1875 and 1918 (with golden swords up to 1916). But look at the eagle. I have seen dosens of last type eagles and none of them have had their wings folded like this, but rather spread out across the entire center. I'm looking at this seriously and so i'd like find out why the strange eagle, a variant due to the time it was made, or something else?

Thank you for your time.

[Blitz]

Reverse.

[Gerd Becker]

Hi Antti,

i can?t tell you the maker, but i am quite sure, its a last Model, 1854-1918. As it has the stippeled armes, i guess, its a later piece, maybe 1900.

I hope, Andreas will solve the riddle.

Gerd

Edited September 5, 2005 by Gerd Becker

[Motorhead]

Well,I've seen it,too-would it be possible that the medaillon was replaced or exchanged because of a damage? Or it might be a"later" piece from the 20ies?

I've got the big "Nimmergut" in my hands,but I didn't find anything that would match....

Micha

[Gerd Becker]

Well,I've seen it,too-would it be possible that the medaillon was replaced or exchanged because of a damage? Or it might be a"later" piece from the 20ies?

I've got the big "Nimmergut" in my hands,but I didn't find anything that would match....

Micha

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Micha,

the painting on the medaillon is a little sloppy, isn?t it? Or were the 4th classes not paintet as carefully as a 2nd class, for example?

Gerd

Edited September 5, 2005 by Gerd Becker

[Blitz]

One thing is for sure, the center isn't a standart one for the last type. I'm also waiting for Andreas to comment.. Here is a regular eagle:

[Motorhead]

Gerd,

my main collecting field are the iron crosses! But I'm very interested in the RAOs-

indeed is the painting of the medaillon a little stange,and I'm shure this is the reason why it's not already sold!And I didn't find just one eagle matching to this one......I'm no expert,but I would do it like at the Skat-the first thought is the right thought!

Micha

[Gerd Becker]

Gerd,

my main collecting field are the iron crosses! But I'm very interested in the RAOs-

indeed is the painting of the medaillon a little stange,and I'm shure this is the reason why it's not already sold!And I didn't find just one eagle matching to this one......I'm no expert,but I would do it like at the Skat-the first thought is the right thought!

Micha

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Thanks, Micha. Its the same here. I really like the construction, but the medaillon is indeed strange.

Lets see, what the RAO-Experts say....

best,

Gerd

[Blitz]

Yeah, I wish they would too. But there aren't many to begin with and the few ones that are (I really know only one) have remained silent thus far.. We can only wait..

[Blitz]

A riddle solved. It seems that the painting is a typical one for the period between 1900/02 and the campaign in China. It is very rare and with swords awarded only about 80 times. 80 times... by any definition, that is rare!

[Guest Brian von Etzel]

I know of a guy who got his RAO during the China campaign.

[Blitz]

Yeah, I thought that might come up. I'm sorry but I don't have any spesific information on why these were made with a different center and who they were awarded to. All I can say is that "exception enforces the rule". My archives and knowledge base on RAOs is no where near good enough to have info on crosses that were awarded less than a 100 times.

[Blitz]

By the way.. Did he recieve the RAO with X for China or was he awarded the X for his RAO for China?

[Guest Brian von Etzel]

Sorry, no notifications, so I haven't a clue someone asked a question...

Fairly certain the X was China. He had bow, and rings and swords. China was his first combat.

[Blitz]

It's ok. Well, if he did recieve the swords for his RAO in China, that would explain why his RAO has the standard painting and not the one I've posted. Another one of these would certainly make the case more firm, but thats all I got right now..

[Motorhead]

Well,this is much to interesting to get lost.....back to the top!

[Stogieman]

I don't see anything wrong with the 4kl.mX.... For certain a variation, but a real one IMO

[Motorhead]

But what about the "strange" medaillon? A replacement or a rare variation? I've searched in the web and in my books,but I can't find a matching one.....have you got a pic of the same eagle at another RAO?

Micha

[Blitz]

It's a rare variant that was awarded between 1900/02. I have confirmation from Andreas.

[David Gregory]

Antti,

Is it on the way to you or did someone else get it?

David

[Blitz]

Someone else has it..