Blitz Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Here is a riddle for you. A 4th cl. RAO with golden swords. Nothing different to any other last type RAOs that were awarded between 1875 and 1918 (with golden swords up to 1916). But look at the eagle. I have seen dosens of last type eagles and none of them have had their wings folded like this, but rather spread out across the entire center. I'm looking at this seriously and so i'd like find out why the strange eagle, a variant due to the time it was made, or something else?Thank you for your time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gerd Becker Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 (edited) Hi Antti,i can?t tell you the maker, but i am quite sure, its a last Model, 1854-1918. As it has the stippeled armes, i guess, its a later piece, maybe 1900.I hope, Andreas will solve the riddle.Gerd Edited September 5, 2005 by Gerd Becker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorhead Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Well,I've seen it,too-would it be possible that the medaillon was replaced or exchanged because of a damage? Or it might be a"later" piece from the 20ies?I've got the big "Nimmergut" in my hands,but I didn't find anything that would match....Micha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 (edited) Well,I've seen it,too-would it be possible that the medaillon was replaced or exchanged because of a damage? Or it might be a"later" piece from the 20ies?I've got the big "Nimmergut" in my hands,but I didn't find anything that would match....Micha←Micha,the painting on the medaillon is a little sloppy, isn?t it? Or were the 4th classes not paintet as carefully as a 2nd class, for example?Gerd Edited September 5, 2005 by Gerd Becker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz Posted September 5, 2005 Author Share Posted September 5, 2005 One thing is for sure, the center isn't a standart one for the last type. I'm also waiting for Andreas to comment.. Here is a regular eagle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorhead Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Gerd,my main collecting field are the iron crosses! But I'm very interested in the RAOs-indeed is the painting of the medaillon a little stange,and I'm shure this is the reason why it's not already sold!And I didn't find just one eagle matching to this one......I'm no expert,but I would do it like at the Skat-the first thought is the right thought!Micha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 Gerd,my main collecting field are the iron crosses! But I'm very interested in the RAOs-indeed is the painting of the medaillon a little stange,and I'm shure this is the reason why it's not already sold!And I didn't find just one eagle matching to this one......I'm no expert,but I would do it like at the Skat-the first thought is the right thought!Micha←Thanks, Micha. Its the same here. I really like the construction, but the medaillon is indeed strange.Lets see, what the RAO-Experts say....best,Gerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz Posted September 6, 2005 Author Share Posted September 6, 2005 Yeah, I wish they would too. But there aren't many to begin with and the few ones that are (I really know only one) have remained silent thus far.. We can only wait.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz Posted September 8, 2005 Author Share Posted September 8, 2005 A riddle solved. It seems that the painting is a typical one for the period between 1900/02 and the campaign in China. It is very rare and with swords awarded only about 80 times. 80 times... by any definition, that is rare! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brian von Etzel Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 I know of a guy who got his RAO during the China campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz Posted September 8, 2005 Author Share Posted September 8, 2005 Yeah, I thought that might come up. I'm sorry but I don't have any spesific information on why these were made with a different center and who they were awarded to. All I can say is that "exception enforces the rule". My archives and knowledge base on RAOs is no where near good enough to have info on crosses that were awarded less than a 100 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz Posted September 8, 2005 Author Share Posted September 8, 2005 By the way.. Did he recieve the RAO with X for China or was he awarded the X for his RAO for China? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brian von Etzel Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 Sorry, no notifications, so I haven't a clue someone asked a question...Fairly certain the X was China. He had bow, and rings and swords. China was his first combat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz Posted September 10, 2005 Author Share Posted September 10, 2005 It's ok. Well, if he did recieve the swords for his RAO in China, that would explain why his RAO has the standard painting and not the one I've posted. Another one of these would certainly make the case more firm, but thats all I got right now.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorhead Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 Well,this is much to interesting to get lost.....back to the top! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 I don't see anything wrong with the 4kl.mX.... For certain a variation, but a real one IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorhead Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 But what about the "strange" medaillon? A replacement or a rare variation? I've searched in the web and in my books,but I can't find a matching one.....have you got a pic of the same eagle at another RAO?Micha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz Posted September 16, 2005 Author Share Posted September 16, 2005 It's a rare variant that was awarded between 1900/02. I have confirmation from Andreas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Gregory Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 Antti,Is it on the way to you or did someone else get it?David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz Posted September 16, 2005 Author Share Posted September 16, 2005 Someone else has it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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