webr55 Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 (edited) Came across this nice picture in a museum display: Edited November 12, 2017 by webr55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted December 21, 2007 Author Share Posted December 21, 2007 (edited) Close-up of Pohrt: He seems to have been a flyer from the Marineinfanterie. The 1918 RL lists an Olt dR Pohrt - with only EK1 and LD2! - but he's wearing the Lübeck Hanseatic Cross, Anhalt?, BMV4X, TWM and the Medjdie order. Pohrt got a Dr. jur. from the University of Breslau in 1921. Edited November 12, 2017 by webr55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 You're right about the Marine Infanterie one. Medal bar--EKPr LD2 (which would have been replaced by an LD1 later that year or 1920)L?HOK2 (spectrum shift "inverts" combatant ribbon colors)BT4bX (not BMV4X)Medjidie (can't tell class-- must have Sabers)probably empty ribbon of TWM (earliest I've seen this stupid error)As a marine flyer, he never joined the MOH so I have ZERO on him after the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted December 21, 2007 Author Share Posted December 21, 2007 (edited) Ahh yes! Mistook the shapes. So that's why I couldn't find him in O'Connor's Bavarian volume. But in any case, this again shows that the 1918 RL was behind quite some time. Edited December 22, 2007 by webr55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tosun Saral Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Sorry my ignorance but I found no German pilot during 1914-18 as Hermann Pohrt but a Karl Pohrthttp://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:USaB7Lm...cd=47&gl=uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Luckily for us, ALL officers who served in the Imperial naval forces 1914-18 had this level of detail listed in 1930's Honor Rank List Also luckily for researchers not ancient enough (like me) to have the originals, our Paul C has scanned many of the most useful German Rank Lists onto CDs. That is where this image is from. It sure saves wear and tear on my 77 year old original!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josef Rietveld Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 You're right about the Marine Infanterie one. ....Medjidie (can't tell class-- must have Sabers)....Why, the turkish sword system is different to the german and austrian modus vivendi, Swords on turkish orders (medjidie, osmanie) indicate as far as i know a second award of the decoration intimes of war.Unfortunately dozens of german officers didn't realize that and went to their jewellers to put swords on their turkish ordershaynau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Second award? No, not at all. Sabers were added in 1915 for Great War military/combat decorations--and are astonishlngly rare.I'm amazed that somebody who only served on a Turkish front from May 1918 on got a Medjidie with Sabers at all when a Liakat Medal in Silver with sabers would have been the normal step up from the War Medal star.Marine-Zahlmeister/Konteradmiral (V) August B?ning's award dates are unknown to me, but must have accrued during his Tigris-Euphrates Flotila service 1916-17This super-sized 5th Class is one of only 3 Medjidies 5th Class with Sabers I have seen in 40 years of collecting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted December 24, 2007 Author Share Posted December 24, 2007 (edited) While we are at it, any idea who this retired KorvKap with a Medjdie might be? Photo was supposedly taken in Kassel in 1931. Edited November 12, 2017 by webr55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stijn David Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 Hello, Very nice thread + here is some info on the L?H => awarded the L?h on 28.08.1918 as a Oberleutnant der Reserve => while acting with the I Seeflieger-Abtl.Cordial greetings + happy X-mass days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Cole Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 (edited) Are those last 3 medals the Imtiaz, Liazat and Medjidie? Also am I correct that since there isn't a crown on the sleeve the KK is a non line officer type? Edited December 24, 2007 by Daniel Cole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 That L?beck roll is going to make a lot of us VERY happy in the New Year! Yes: Imtiaz with Sabers, Liakat with Sabers, IDIOT fashion empty ribbon for the TWM, and Medjidie--suggesting it is the type WITHOUT Sabers or it would not be last.The photo must date later than 1931, since the sleeve insignia is that of a Korvettenkapit?n (I assume since no Imperial XXV long service cross he wouldn't have been a Fregattenkapit?n) (Ing-E): gear wheel of the Engineer Corps surrounded by the first Wehrmacht pattern rope border for recalled retreads.I think I see a Hindenburg Cross X in second place and what appears to be the first pattern Kriegsmarine metal cap eagle-- can you zoom in on his awards and cuff insignia?Circa 1934?MY best GUESS-- since the wartime Navy Rank Lists do not show foreign awards and he was not Reichsmarine, going by Turkish wartime assignments and (E) status would beErich K?sterborn 31.8.1884, apparently died 1937/38 (vanishs, anyway)Navy 1.10.04-9.9.20M-Ing 19.10.12M-ObIng 17.10.15 Ychar KaptLt (Ing) aD 10.12.20KorvKapt (Ing-E) with retroactive seniority 1.11.29 #2 as of 1935Naval officer on staff of Wehr-Ersatz Inspektion Magdeburg 1935 and 1936, Naval officer on staff of Wehrbezirks Kommando Kiel 1937Medjidie 4th Class of the pre-war peacetime variety gazetted 14.7.14-- he served aboard SMS Goeben from before her voyage to Turkey until December 1915.As of the February 1918 Navy Rank List, all he showed was an EK2! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted December 24, 2007 Author Share Posted December 24, 2007 (edited) Stijn David said: => awarded the L?h on 28.08.1918 as a Oberleutnant der Reserve => while acting with the I Seeflieger-Abtl. Thanks, very interesting! Rick Research said: I think I see a Hindenburg Cross X in second place and what appears to be the first pattern Kriegsmarine metal cap eagle-- can you zoom in on his awards and cuff insignia? Not really. A pic from the net. That's the best I can do, see below: BTW, happy Christmas to you all! Chris Edited November 12, 2017 by webr55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Cole Posted December 25, 2007 Share Posted December 25, 2007 Is that third medal a Sachse-Coburg Carl Eduard Silver Oval Medal? It looks oval and doesn't it have a crown on top? JUst a WAG at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted December 25, 2007 Author Share Posted December 25, 2007 Is that third medal a Sachse-Coburg Carl Eduard Silver Oval Medal? It looks oval and doesn't it have a crown on top? JUst a WAG at it. No, that is an Imtiaz medal with sabers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Cole Posted December 25, 2007 Share Posted December 25, 2007 Ah, Should have stuck to my first guess! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaba1914 Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 (edited) I know that this thread is some years old but maybe for interest, here some infomration about Olt.d.R. Pohrt Lt.d.R. Pohrt Kommandiert zur II. MFA zur Ausbildung. Danach zur HSS Tondern am 12.06.1915 Olt.d.R. Pohrt (LFA) Landfliegerabzeichen am 28.12.1915 Olt.d.R. Pohrt (LFA) Kommandiert nach Johannisthal am 18.03.1916 Olt.d.R. Pohrt (LFA) Kommandiert zur FS Hage am 10.05.1916 Olt.d.R. Pohrt (FestFS Wilhelmshaven (Leiter)). Kommandiert zur II. SFA zum Umschulen auf Seeflugzeuge am 08.06.1916 Olt.d.R. Pohrt Kommandiert zur SFS Varna (Bulgarien) am 13.09.1916 Olt.d.R. Pohrt (II. SFA) Seefliegerabzeichen am 16.09.1916 HSS = Hallenschutzstation LFA = Landfliegerabteilung SFA = Seefliegerabteilung SFS = Seeflugstation Here some further information but i am not sure if it is the same Pohrt but possible: Lt.d.R.M.I. Pohrt Beförderung zum Olt.d.R.M.I am 20.06.1915 Olt.d.R.M.I. Pohrt Kommandiert als Leiter einer SFS am Schwarzen Meer. Verteilung regelt Kvt.Kpt. Stubenrauch am 03.01.1917 Olt.d.R.M.I. Pohrt Ehrenpreis für Vernichtung eines russischen Dampfer am 07.01.1918 Olt.d.R.M.A. Pohrt Kommandiert zur SFS in der Türkei am 13.04.1918 Regards Alex Edited March 20, 2011 by jaba1914 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Dale Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 I know that this thread is some years old but maybe for interest... Thanks for bringing it up again, Alex. I hadn't seen it before, fascinating and great medals... Cheers Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webr55 Posted March 24, 2011 Author Share Posted March 24, 2011 (edited) Thanks for the additional information! Chris Edited November 12, 2017 by webr55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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