Guest Rick Research Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Since there are no devices, we will never know.Some things only a MEDAL bar can tell us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landsknechte Posted January 16, 2008 Author Share Posted January 16, 2008 Since there are no devices, we will never know.Some things only a MEDAL bar can tell us.Even if we never know the exact grade, should I at least assume the war merit ribbon is the lower grade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 Not as this guy wore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernd D Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 For better understanding I will try to explain the rules after 1914.You could wear peace- and wartime decoration together, like the bar before.Each time you received a higher class (peace or war) you had to return the lower one.Exemptions from the rule1. You got the MVO/MVK with X during different wars you were aloud to wear both, for example a MVO4x in the Colonies and a MVO3x during WWI or a MVK2x for GSWA and a MVK2 with Crown and X in WWI.2. When you got the Officers Cross you kept the MVO3 on the bar, but when getting the MVO2 you had to return both.3. When you die your heirs had to return the decorations. There was also the possibility to buy it. That?s all.Only a few of the recipients of MVKx did not return it when getting the higher class. It is all written down in the rolls. There is a note when you got the higher class and returned the lower. Also you see in there that all got the decoration on the ribbon for war merit (Kriegsverdienst) first and afterwards the one on the normal war ribbon. A few got a second award on the ribbon for war merit and returned the other one.Only for 1866 and 1870/71 you had to return the MVO when getting the MMJO. Not in WWI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 I hope when you do the Bavarian Rolls you will include those returned notations. Daniel and I have done that with the Rolls we have, to show promotions to higher classes, or posthumous returns. For example, in Lippe-Detmold, the numbers AWARDED minus the numbers RETURNED = Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landsknechte Posted January 17, 2008 Author Share Posted January 17, 2008 Do we know if everyone was physically given the war merit version, or were they awarded it on paper only? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 What?Of course they were. ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landsknechte Posted January 18, 2008 Author Share Posted January 18, 2008 What?Of course they were. ???I had always been running under the impression that they were awarded with the different ribbons to different classes of people. This thread is the first that I've heard of the war merit version being given to everyone. I had assumed that the war merit ribbon was more akin to the white-black EK. Just trying to figure out the mechanics of how this process went through for the average frontline soldier that would typically be associated with the "standard" MVK/MVO. If everyone who had a the frontline ribbon had already been awarded the the war merit ribbon, I would expect to see more of it floating around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 No no no, not everyone, buuuuut everyone who got _both_ - according to Bernd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landsknechte Posted January 18, 2008 Author Share Posted January 18, 2008 No no no, not everyone, buuuuut everyone who got _both_ - according to Bernd.Ooooooooooh. That does make a bit more sense. I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Gregory Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 Bavarian Leutnant der Reserve Hans N?her was awarded the MVK3 with crown and swords as an Unteroffizier with Reserve-Pionier-Bataillon Nr. 2 on 15 January 1916 and the MVO4X on 5 February 1918. This portrait was probably taken soon after he was awarded the EK1 on 6 April 1918. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Gregory Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 He went on to become a Doctor of medicine and was awarded the KVK2X in January 1943.The ribbon bar shown in the photo above: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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