EK 1914 screwback

[taucher]

Tomorrow i will have a look at this cross.

Any help is welcome

Looking forward to your opinion and thanks.

[taucher]

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[taucher]

[taucher]

Thanks for al the help

taucher

[joe campbell]

this is a cross which has been vaulted by someone

who likes metallurgy or a jeweler. nothing wrong

with it, but certainly not standard issue in present form.

looks like '39 production based on the retaining screwplate.

hope it's a good price for you!

joe

[gregM]

I also notice that the anti-spin pin has been removed

[joe campbell]

I also notice that the anti-spin pin has been removed

with all the added vaulting, who needs "anti-spin"???

[Motorhead]

I'm a bit sceptical.........unfortunately I'm not at home at the moment and I don't have access to my database! But bigger pics would be very helpful!

Micha

[taucher]

The cross felt and lookt nice so i bought it.

Once home to my surprise i found this marking L/52 on the top of the cross.

Its hard to spot with the naked eye

I think it stands for the maker C.F. Zimmermann a well known maker of WWII crosses.

Maybe they made replacement WWI crosses?

Edited January 15, 2008 by taucher

[taucher]

Micha this is the best i can do considering the smal amount of upload here.

[taucher]

[taucher]

[taucher]

The back and the screw are silver (tested)

Lets see how whe look when this age

Edited January 15, 2008 by taucher

[joe campbell]

now i'm a bit nervous....

L/52 stamped OVER the filed down

stability pin????

i await micha's input...

joe

[taucher]

looks like they put a WWI core in a other frame

But why stamp L/52 over the stability pin

Its bearly visible with the naked eye and L/52 seems to have been boxed.

I think a lot of efford to make a fake but clearly thinks don't end up.

[taucher]

This stinks!!!!!!!

This is flying back and i think the end of the EK adventure!!

Edited January 15, 2008 by taucher

[taucher]

Hey Joe,

A came across this one also

A L/52 also??????

Listed as very rare

Looks the same

Wonder what Micha has to say.

http://www.rheinland-orden.com/shop/index....html&page=2

The 3 one

[taucher]

I lookt at this cross over and over again.

My eyes even look cross now

Everything seems correct and in detail

Only the L/52 mark is a riddle

I have a gut feeling this is a genuine cross

Maybe i am just fooling myself

Edited January 15, 2008 by taucher

[Steve campbell]

There are genuine L/52 TR era 1914 EK1s out there, along with other LDO numbers such as L/11 etc. I have an L/52 on the way but it has a proper mark in the box and in the proper position. If you can return this do so because it has too many question marks. Don't give up on EKs though, give up on sketchy sources.

[joe campbell]

i think this is an original cross.

i am concerned that it has been

played with to "add" to its value.

i think you might consider returning

it, but would tell you that there are

MANY fine crosses available just on this

site alone.

yours will come with patience and some study.

gordon williamson's books and steve previtara's

Iron Time are worth having if you are thinking

of more than a token cross or two.

i like the other cross you displayed, but would need to see

more detailed photos. i ALWAYS like to hold a cross in

my hands before reaching into my pockets.... you may

not have that option, but it is clearly the best way to

get a feel for this wonderful decoration.

joe

[taucher]

Seller did not know of stamp.

The seller is no problem he is a trusted guy and will take it back.

Only i dont know if i will give it back

Will see after some more digging

[Mike K]

Hi,

After having a good look at that pic with the removed anti-spin pin and the MM, I think it can be argued that the MM was applied after the anti-spin pin had been affized, but that the MM was applied right at the base of the anti-spin pin. The mark is well formed in the MIDDLE but weak on the right and almost absent on the left. I think the removeal of the anti-spin pin was probably neatly done well AFTER the MM had been applied and that some of the grinding has probably also removed some of the MM on the right hand side - eg the top of the 2 looks indisctint and not as deep as the middle or base of the 2. I think we are seeing an imaging effect. Hand examination will probably show everything is 100% OK.

Regards

Mike

[taucher]

Hey Mike,Joe

thanks for the help.I have the same idee about it and thats why i waver.

My idee is that this is a good cross.

Lets see what's Micha's idee about it.

greets

Vince

[Steve campbell]

Hey Mike,Joe

thanks for the help.I have the same idee about it and thats why i waver.

My idee is that this is a good cross.

Lets see what's Micha's idee about it.

greets

Vince

Yes get Micha's opinion, but there's not much Mike K doesn't know about these things. If he says it I'm halfway to the bank.