Bayoswede Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Hallo, This card just arrived ! A Luftwaffe Stabsfeldwebel ? or Oberfeldwebel ? with a lot of decorations I Think he has 11 decorations? I know the pic is very crappy but is it possible to guess what he got? The 8th on the ribbon bar has a crown/sword device. Bulgarian? Christer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Oooooooooooooooooo what a Ribbon bar =Iron Cross 2nd Class 1914War Merit Cross 2nd Class 1939 with swordsHindenburg Cross XAustrian WWI Commemorative Medal XSudeten 1938 Annexation Medal (red and black come out looking solid but note thin white edges)1936 Olympics MedalHungarian WW1 Commemorative medal XBulgarian War ribboned award with Crown and Swords (probably silver Merit Medal)Bulgarian WW1 Commemorative medal Xfrom his ribbon bar, improperly,again the KVK2, underneath that the statute "peacetime" (or non-frontline) Bulgarian Military Merit Cross ribbon.He has 12 awards-- that looks (wrong positions) like the top of a WW1 Wound Badge "off camera" below his DRL Sports Badge.You may want to post this again in the Luftwaffe uniforms section. It looks to me like his collar patches have the outside piping of the Luftwaffe Field Divisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Great photo - love the piping around the collar tabs and early-quality cap. Rick, are you sure about the 1939 KVK2x in the number 2 spot? The ribbon stripes don't look the proper width, and (more speculation) wouldn't he have it in his button-hole with his EK ribbon rather than his '38 Sudeten ribbon? Just curious.Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 It looks to me like his collar patches have the outside piping of the Luftwaffe Field Divisions.Most definitely LW Field Divisions!! The outter piping and the shoulder strap Reg numbers(only seen on Flak and FD). I would LOVE to see this tunic in the flesh(while listening to the vet answer a few questions!). Definitely a Sudatenlands ribbon in the buttonhole! I bet that replacing a ribbonbar of that size for the addition of one ribbon would be a little expensive. Lots of commemorative medals there!I think that the ribbon on the bar was the Austrian Annexation, versus the Sudatenland Annexation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Absolutely certain it's a double displayed KVK in his buttonhole and 2nd on the ribbon bar. The colors on some photos make that orangy-red and black look the same-- but note the almost invisible white edges on the buttonhole and ribbon bar ribbons-- common with KVK ribbons but not with EKs.Might be a Sudeten under the buttonhole KVK. That would be weird and never authorized, but we've seen examples of it being done. The difference in color between the full size and ribbon bar one could be in the shades of red varying-- from pink to blood red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 The button hole awards appear on my monitor to be:WW1 EK2Sudatenlands AnnexationThey do not look like the KVK2 to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andwwils Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 I can see two pips on his shoulder boards, so he was an Oberfeldwebel when this photograph was taken. No long service decorations are present. The sports badge is a good sign that he was in a field-division type unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 KVK from the buttonhole. Most recent has pride of place when worn without a ribbon bar.He should, of course, only be wearing one OR the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayoswede Posted January 17, 2008 Author Share Posted January 17, 2008 Thanks Rick ! You Take the ribbons even in the worst photos !!! The seller told me there was a 10 on the shoulder boards , but I can?t se it with my bad eyes... could that be to any help? So a LW soldier in a felddiv in Bulgaria 1941-1942? that have been a sportsman earlier (sportsbadge, Olympics helper in some way) Well a lot from just a single Photo Thanks again eveyone Christer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence Strong Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 (edited) Thanks Rick ! You Take the ribbons even in the worst photos !!! The seller told me there was a 10 on the shoulder boards , but I can?t se it with my bad eyes... could that be to any help? So a LW soldier in a felddiv in Bulgaria 1941-1942? that have been a sportsman earlier (sportsbadge, Olympics helper in some way) Well a lot from just a single Photo Thanks again eveyone ChristerThat woul;d be kind of hard to do as Goering only issued a proclamation on the 17 of September of 1942 for the formations of the Felddivision's. Beside's which from what I can find, 10th FD served up in the Leningrad area. Maybe he was a Flak personnel. Edited January 17, 2008 by Laurence Strong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 That woul;d be kind of hard to do as Goering only issued a proclamation on the 17 of September of 1942 for the formations of the Felddivision's. Beside's which from what I can find, 10th FD served up in the Leningrad area. Maybe he was a Flak personnel.He is definitely LW Field Division. The outter piping is either black(Pioneer) or Red(Flak/Arty). You photo is one for the reference books. Not many piped Tab LW FD photos around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayoswede Posted January 17, 2008 Author Share Posted January 17, 2008 I have looked at the photo and tried so judge what numbers he have on the shoulderboard but it?s impossible to tell, its just a blur Christer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence Strong Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 It would be interesting to see whats missing for badges on the bottom of the photo. A flak badge perhaps! It's quite conceivable that he was transfered from a flak unit to the FD's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence Strong Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 He has a "drooped tail" on his chest and a regular eagle on the feldmutze, that should help date the photo some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence Strong Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 If i just read Angolia properly - Vol 23 pg13 - the green tab and branch color piping did not come into effect until after the Army took over late in 1943. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 (edited) Just about any qualification or war badge would take precidence over a sports badge, so my guess is the badge below (out of full view) is something of relatively low importance. Unfortunately the droop-tail eagle on the uniform is not always a reliable dating indication, as there was no mandated change policy (as far as I know), and many late war photos show NCOs and officers still wearing droop-tails .Scott Edited January 17, 2008 by Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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